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Burning man...worth it or not?
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FaceHead
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Posted : Mar 17, 2010 01:28
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how exactly were "the girls BETTER"? haha
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saintcarl
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Posted : Mar 17, 2010 02:14
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Seriously.
Some things do change with time and get better or worse depending on your perception.
For example Gemini in my opinion has got better over the years although always memorable from the start.
I may have been to burning man 4 times but I never considered myself a burner and never will hence I am not an ex-burner.
I was always a trancer at Burningman festival. I did not wear fake fur and tassels and cowboy hat or show off myself naked nor did I own an art car! I did explore the outer limits of my mind and indulge in copious blastings of pure blissful psytrance.
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On 2010-03-16 22:53, jds wrote:
Just go.
Don't listen to anyone who says it was better last year or whatever. Seriously. For everyone who says it was better in 2000, there is someone who says it stopped being cool in '98, and even more people who say that it should never have left the beach.
So ya, really. Don't listen to the "it was better before" crap because anyone spewing it hopped ON the bus right when others were getting OFF saying it wasn't like it was before.
Just go. It's an experience. It's your own experience. Don't go to be entertained. Just be there and be a part of it and you'll find relevant meaning and magic when and where you least expect it.
The only thing worse than a burner is an ex-burner. I hold allegiance to neither.
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jds
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Posted : Mar 17, 2010 08:02
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On 2010-03-17 02:14, saintcarl wrote:
Some things do change with time and get better or worse depending on your perception.
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Sure, cool post, but that's all I'm getting at. "your perception" It's subjective. Someone who's never been could go this year and have as good or better of a time than someone else did on their best year during whatever period they define as the heyday.
I'm totally not defending Burning Man. Anyone that knows me would laugh if anyone thought that. It's just a fun topic and I'm trying to help answer the OP's original question. Environments like the Burning Man Project best express their potential when you avoid what you know and seek nothing.
It's not so much a question of "is Burning Man still any good?", as it is a question of: "how good are you at abandoning pre-conceptions and opening up to what's unique about it?". There's plenty of obstacles and distractions, some people never see the forest from the trees, but what exists between the lines really doesn't exist anywhere else and ya, at the end of the day, I'd say to anyone who asks that it is worth experiencing.
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Mar 17, 2010 08:28
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On 2010-03-16 22:53, jds wrote:
Just go.
Don't listen to anyone who says it was better last year or whatever. Seriously. For everyone who says it was better in 2000, there is someone who says it stopped being cool in '98, and even more people who say that it should never have left the beach.
So ya, really. Don't listen to the "it was better before" crap because anyone spewing it hopped ON the bus right when others were getting OFF saying it wasn't like it was before.
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You are partially right. there's still magic there, but the event is a lot different than it was 10 years ago. I missed the guns, but you used to be able to burn anything, anywhere, at any time. Night of the burn, people were setting everything on fire.
in '99 there were gun nuts, off the grid folks, a whole neighborhood of rainbow hippies, buskers, and other weirdoes there because tickets still cost $70. most of them were gone the following year, when the price went up.
the music was still awful back then, but at least nobody wore furry fucking leggings.
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Upavas
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Well here is my experience with Burning Man.
I was asked by members from the Hawai'ian tribe to play a set there, they were friends and urged me to come. I was interested, would even have played for free, after all they were my psy-family....
Until they had a woman from the board of directors at my house, explaining to me that I would have to buy a ticket to play there. After I asked her why I would have to pay for a ticket, after all I should get compensated for my performance she replied lamely that there just wasn't enough money.
I in turn asked her what they were doing with all the money they earned from selling 100.000 tickets around more than $200 a piece she did not have an answer and wondered when I politely suggested she was no longer welcome in my house.
Burning Man? Gimme a break !!!
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Axis Mundi
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The whole "cashless society" thing is a bunch of BS if you ask me, especially considering what you pay at the door, for starters.
Also you have to consider that anything you take there smaller than a car will probably be ruined and unusable by the time you leave, so plan on spending a lot of cash and wasting a lot of stuff.
So if you want to check it out, it's undoubtedly worth it, so do it. all things considered, though, there are much better events to check out in the USA.
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GyPsynate
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On 2010-03-13 03:14, saintcarl wrote:
tripping balls to Penta sunrise in the desert is unforgetable.
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Word!
Sunrise on the playa after a long night of ... fill in the blank (nauty nauty) has got to be one of the best experiences of my life. Plus all the other hardcore freaks that are still up with you for the long haul, nothing like it. Deep primal connections to people from all over the place. Not that this caint be experienced other places but I have not found anything that can match the huge bubble of energy BM create with that manny people doing god knows what.
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jds
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Posted : Mar 17, 2010 19:46
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On 2010-03-17 08:28, DiMiTry wrote:
You are partially right. there's still magic there, but the event is a lot different than it was 10 years ago. I missed the guns, but you used to be able to burn anything, anywhere, at any time. Night of the burn, people were setting everything on fire.
in '99 there were gun nuts, off the grid folks, a whole neighborhood of rainbow hippies, buskers, and other weirdoes there because tickets still cost $70. most of them were gone the following year, when the price went up.
the music was still awful back then, but at least nobody wore furry fucking leggings.
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LOL at the leggings. 
Cool observations, that actually reinforce my point. Change happens but quality and experience is relative and subjective. You mention 99 but it's like 'whatever'. There's a huge caste of people who'll claim it all ended with the move to the ranch in 97 and the massive influx of new permits, rules, and bans. Still others will cite going to bed with BLM in 91 is what killed it. And if you dig around enough you'll find people who still bemoan it leaving the beach in 90. Some people think it was cooler when there were guns, others think it went downhill when the guns arrived...
So ya, all I'm getting at is that, for someone who's never been, there's no point getting caught up in all this. It'll never end. It will always continue to change. Someone who went last year for the first time and had the greatest experience ever of their life could go this year and say it's not the same anymore and it's changing, getting too big, etc. From their perspective, that could be true for them, but is there any factual, measureable, objective truth to it given that others gave up on the event 20 years prior for the same reasons?
Anyway, I could talk about it forever (wasn't trying to beligerantly direct the convo here, just throwing out some thoughts). I love this sort of thing. I've watched people fall into and out of this and other similar bubbles for years and years and years. The social and ego dynamics of it all are hilariously poignant. I've stayed outside of it for the most part with a very critical eye and agree with every insult anyone throws at it (it's such a huge, shameless target though, I often wonder why people bother trying to 'take it down'), but in the end I'd evaluate it as: "Mostly Harmless".
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Mar 17, 2010 22:48
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On 2010-03-17 10:15, Upavas wrote:
Well here is my experience with Burning Man.
I was asked by members from the Hawai'ian tribe to play a set there, they were friends and urged me to come. I was interested, would even have played for free, after all they were my psy-family....
Until they had a woman from the board of directors at my house, explaining to me that I would have to buy a ticket to play there. After I asked her why I would have to pay for a ticket, after all I should get compensated for my performance she replied lamely that there just wasn't enough money.
I in turn asked her what they were doing with all the money they earned from selling 100.000 tickets around more than $200 a piece she did not have an answer and wondered when I politely suggested she was no longer welcome in my house.
Burning Man? Gimme a break !!!
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that's just how BM works. Camps are camps, BMORG is BMORG, the two don't interact, gate money doesn't trickle down to the camps unless you're one of the 2 or 3 main sound systems there that brings artists like Carl Cox, Tiesto, etc - and even that cannot be proven.
You basically want everyone at the camp that asked you to play and who is already paying a lot of money to be there and bring the sound/gas/generators/kitchen/etc to pay for your entrance as well out of their pockets.
Just FYI, Penta bought his own ticket in 2005, when he played a 4-hour sunrise set on our system - and didn't bitch about it for a minute. So did Zik, Diego, Fractal Cowboys, and everyone else that played that year.
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hardkornate
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Posted : Mar 17, 2010 23:08
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GyPsynate
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Posted : Mar 17, 2010 23:58
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Its not like it the only festival that is so conceded that they charge the theme camps yes the same people who make it all happen.All you did was find a venue and hopefully pay off some cops.
I was booked for the Dream time festival here in CO 2 years ago ( I was not even living in CO at the time )and nobody even told me "I" had to pay 100 bucks out of my potcket to get in, I found out days befor the event I was broke of course.I called around and talked to some people and just got the runaround and everyone blaming eachother for not telling me. Needless to say I was not going to pay some hippy festival $100 bucks for them to use me for an out of state act so I did not go.I hope they had a hard time filling in the spot last minute. How you going to use my name and image then charge me to get in, an out of state act getting chraged door price even?
Please...
If I was not already moved to the state and would have paid to travel all that way to Denver only get chraged at the door...shit would have gone down. I think they still have my image on posted on their site and shit too.
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Tizzy
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Posted : Mar 18, 2010 00:29
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On 2010-03-17 01:28, FaceHead wrote:
how exactly were "the girls BETTER"? haha
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haha, welcome home to oblivion, friend. 
I would love to go to BM. just to be able to say i've been. We have "Africa Burns" in the Karoo here, which is a BM spin off. My friends have gone and it sounds spectacular. We are busy planning a roadtrip to the event this year... if finances play along.
I say go. Experience it for what it is. Just imagine how cool it will be to say to your kids (if you dont already have?!) oneday that you went the the legendary BM.
and then they'll go "ahhhh WAY cool, pops. you're SO hippy. Can we smoke a J with you now?"
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Mar 18, 2010 00:30
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yeah Dreamtime is a rip-off. They were charging Avery for setting up a sound system in there.
Burning Man might seem like a rip-off now, but it worked the same way when it wasn't so expensive and the ticket money was actually used just to pay for the land fees and pay off the cops.
Many top name artists have paid their way in, and many still do, it's a tradition I guess. Plus the exposure is great for the career. Just look at Bassnectar.
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Tizzy
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Posted : Mar 18, 2010 00:35
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On 2010-03-18 00:30, DiMiTry wrote:
Plus the exposure is great for the career. Just look at Bassnectar.
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who? seriously.. who?
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saintcarl
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Posted : Mar 18, 2010 01:49
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On 2010-03-18 00:35, Tizzy wrote:
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On 2010-03-18 00:30, DiMiTry wrote:
Plus the exposure is great for the career. Just look at Bassnectar.
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who? seriously.. who?
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Breaks DJ/Artist although I am not sure Burning Man was his big break. |
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