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BUILD-UPS (Morning vs. Dark)

3DU4RD0


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Posted : Feb 24, 2006 04:20
First of all, when I mean "morning" music I mean artists like Eskimo, Sub6, Black n White, Psycraft, Hypersonic, Visual Paradox, X-Noize, Sesto Sento, etc. (which for me its not even THAT morning, I mean I could listen to that at night and still be excited and dancing).
I don't really understand what people like to listen to in NY when it comes to the main hours (from 2am till the end) of the party because sometimes people complain about the music being too melodic or music having too many build-ups, or even it being too dark. Sometimes morning music is played at the main hours and nobody complains, especially when it's somebody famous. If somebody not famous plays morning music on those hours, people just start complaining and talking shit.
In my opinion, what I noticed in parties is that people don't like build-ups for some reason, they want to keep dancing without waiting for another new exciting part to come. This doesn't happen in dark music too often... the beat just doesn't stop, but I'm not sure if people like this better or they rather wait for build-ups.
I mean, I like Psy-trance in general, (dark twisted music, hi-tek, morning and even progressive), but I think build-ups are the most important part in a trance song, and I really like to stop dancing so a better part comes up... Do you guys feel the same way?

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obu
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Posted : Feb 24, 2006 05:35
Really depends, although I play very high energy psychedelic trance, I can really appreciate a non-stop stomp session.

A track can progress very very well without a huge, hands in the air, build up. Pitch Hikers - Columbia comes to mind instantly, a gem of a track that progress's so well, even though the beat just doesn't stop - and there is no huge drum roll'ed build up.

In my experience, dancefloors react better to the buildups than they do to non-stop stomp action, of course too many build ups can kill a vibe, etc., but this is the job of the dj .

But in the end, its a matter of personal taste and I suppose a bit of a regional issue also...




obu
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Posted : Feb 24, 2006 06:10
Oh and just so were correct on things, if this changes to a "Morning vs. Dark" (yawn!) type deal, you need DARK for LIGHT, no journey is just a progression of one or the other.

The light at the end of the tunnel cannot be reached without first going thru the darkness that is the tunnel.

Ahh, ok. Good night guys
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Posted : Feb 24, 2006 06:31
Well put Senior Obu!

I also play very high energy psy. So far as to say one of my few homies here in Mass. deemed it "explosion trance". It's what I like and dancefloors respond well to it overall.

But I fully agree, without the dark, there can be no light, without the night, there can be no sunrise, and how boring would it be to live without that beautiful dawn sunrise set???

If you think about it, all emotions are based on a relative scale to everything else. If you were allways up and there were no downs, would it still be up?

This is why hangovers exist, to remind us how awesome the high was!!!

Ok, I'm rambling now, I think I said what I wanted to say....

-Nutz
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Posted : Feb 24, 2006 07:09
Yeah, I agree with u guys for sure, I love dark, I mean I play stuff like Seroxat, Toxic, Azax Syndrom, Winter Demon, that Pitch Hickers cd is great!
In Mexico, that type of trance is called Hi-Tech.
Obu, I agree on what u said about the "regional issue" that's very true because when I play in Mexico I don't play dark stuff, I have to play ESkimo and that type of trance troughout the whole party, 'cos otherwise people won't dance as much...
But all I was saying (based on my experience) was that I thought people here didn't like too many build-ups as they do in Mexico, where it's all about the build-ups.
But yeah, what u said is also true, you can't play too many buld-ups, cos it kills the vibe.
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Posted : Feb 24, 2006 14:24
I prefer the shorter, more creative build-ups, mostly 1 or 2 measures but no more than 4 measures. This to me is better than multiple long build-ups ....I cant hold a groove with that vibe. I guess I'm just all jaded with the many years of listening to EDM....big build ups are not exciting anymore, except maybe when artists like Zik do it all crazy style, but even then it can be too much sometimes.           info/tourdates/psy
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Posted : Feb 24, 2006 19:33
i have noticed long build ups becoming more prevalent in dark psy, point in case Lyserg Lesson1 (noise poison) is just one after the other. So is the new Naked Tourist album. The beat dosen't stop but you can definatelly feel the pick up. Some others have succesfuly blended the whole thing as to have pitchers for longer sections, and the kicks never stop... Psykovsky is very good for that. Penta does it very nicely too... check out "Looking Great" or the Terminator track in acid sport. If you are looking for really twisted build up Silent Horror did very a good job with "nocturnal Wizard" in the compi hate. Too many of those can get repetitive in a set, but if you drop a carefully orchestrated peaker to top a nice progression over the course of say, half hour... it can be totally awsome. i really like Sector D - Fuckin chorus in Hocus Peakus. If you are looking for something truly original though, i would go with scozbor - hard pooning. can't enough of it. there's a place and time for everything, but too many do become repetive as Bodhi said.

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dick hardman
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Posted : Feb 24, 2006 21:38
I heard that DJs play long buildups cos they're getting their dick sucked and it really enhances the experience.

Ahh to be a psytrance DJ these days...


konflux
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Posted : Feb 25, 2006 00:16
from my memories those day time dj sets that had a lot of build-ups in them were the most memorable ones. in my opinion the fact that there are more build ups or "pits" in the lighter music than in the darker is explained by the need to keep people "in groove" in the darkness and the lesser need to do the same in the day light. it apparently depends on the setting, but ideally if we are talking about a good old outdoor location available for 24 hours or so, it also depends on stimulants that people take. i agree with bodhi, 1-2 measures is more than enough. for me as a dj it's important not to lose dancers in the middle of my set. i know how easy it is to fall out of the groove after a long-drawn-out build-up, that's why i prefer shorter but more effective break-downs with creative build-ups and sudden beat drops.


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Posted : Feb 25, 2006 00:53
Those extra-long build-ups are one of the main characteristics of that style we all like to make fun of - epic/club/euro/ibiza/cheese trance. personally, i think they're for the most part unneccessary and boring, but hey, the kiddies love'em.

of course there are some artists who can make really good fun build-ups, like Eskimo for example.. those tracks are great to play right around peak morning hours, but not more than once or twice, otherwise it really starts to get old. Some of the dark full-on music has decent build-ups as well. But again, I would use them sparingly.

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Posted : Feb 27, 2006 20:52
First off nice thread, ive been wondering that here myself

i think there is very necessary for there to be a combination of both for a sucessfull party, its a bit differente here in NY i don't know about the rest of Usa but partys end at 6am so no morning blaster with sunglasses and i nice cold beer experience

back home, the sound makes a whole different party, in my opinion if its full on the whole night, wich depends of that act is pretty nice, give u more time go out of the dancefloor since dancing is more intense walk around the woods get a smokie ect.

but if its night trance its my personal fav kind of party(durante the night) i love to see my great night lives (penta, digital talk, space tribe ect.) personally it makes me dance alot more and most of the time i just stay in my spot dancing and dancing and 5 hours seem like 10 minutes.. but i dont like if it lasts tooooo long, untill 5:30am/6am is nice hour so start with the morning music or else everyone has too moody faces, and its normal after such a great experience...

then i love when it breaks off with the morning lives..
and i do very much so love the morning and its music, seeing everyones smiley face and bakeing in the sun to a hot morning live(astrix, sesto sento,gataka ,Gms(well more back then now they get kinda cheesy, but in acouple festivals some 5/3 years back, they totaly blew my mind with there fun wacky lives and still wouldnt miss them )

and thats when i think the build ups should come in alot more so people get a boost of energy, and dance , being morning/afternoon and all.. anyway

my conclusion is, all psytrance has its place at a party, each one at there time

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Posted : Mar 7, 2006 03:44
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On 2006-02-24 06:10, obu wrote:
Oh and just so were correct on things, if this changes to a "Morning vs. Dark" (yawn!) type deal, you need DARK for LIGHT, no journey is just a progression of one or the other.

The light at the end of the tunnel cannot be reached without first going thru the darkness that is the tunnel.



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Posted : Mar 7, 2006 04:21
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On 2006-02-24 21:38, dick hardman wrote:
I heard that DJs play long buildups cos they're getting their dick sucked and it really enhances the experience.

Ahh to be a psytrance DJ these days...







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Posted : Mar 7, 2006 12:47
buildups are most effective / powerful when you use them sparingly... if you play many tracks without a big buildup and then play one with a long buildup that buildup becomes a representation of the last 30 minutes / 1 hour or whatever... if you keep playing tracks with buildups then they are not buildups but breaks in the music... they break the trance one is trying to develop... ...

if you want think of it like sex. a long session of rhythm and power that leads to an intense buildup and explosive release... (and then maybe start up again ) rather than trying to say that you can do it again and again and again and again and again.... and that each time will be as energetic.... its just not reality.
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