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Ellon
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Posted : Jun 29, 2009 14:35
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On 2009-06-29 14:22, Ellon wrote:
Getting back on topic...
I love the live act concept (if it's really a live act) when the artist prepares something new for the live performance...
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Me too, its just having too much of them (well...more than one) in one party (especially an all nighter) that we are talking about in this thread.
 
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Ellon
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On 2009-06-29 14:35, disco hooligans wrote:
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On 2009-06-29 14:22, Ellon wrote:
Getting back on topic...
I love the live act concept (if it's really a live act) when the artist prepares something new for the live performance...
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Me too, its just having too much of them (well...more than one) in one party (especially an all nighter) that we are talking about in this thread.
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I agree...far to many "live acts" in one party!!!!
Live act performance should have the time and highlight to really perform as a memorable moment!!!
I believe it would bring a bigger sense of responsability to the artist and separate the real live act performance from the "press enter" crew...
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makus
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Posted : Jun 29, 2009 16:18
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On 2009-06-27 15:00, demoniac wrote:
i have an idea to make a live set + dj set
i dont like to make them split like 1 hour live + one hour dj set, but i like to make a mix between this 2.
for examplse i will perform live some of my own tunes, then play a track from some other artist, then another live track, and 2-3 other artist track etc...
i see this way more fun for me and for the audience 
what do u guys think about this kind of playing ?
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i thought of it but i stuck on fitting my unmastered bounced down by parts audio tracks and midi parts with mastered wavs.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jun 29, 2009 16:25
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On 2009-06-29 16:18, makus wrote:
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On 2009-06-27 15:00, demoniac wrote:
i have an idea to make a live set + dj set
i dont like to make them split like 1 hour live + one hour dj set, but i like to make a mix between this 2.
for examplse i will perform live some of my own tunes, then play a track from some other artist, then another live track, and 2-3 other artist track etc...
i see this way more fun for me and for the audience
what do u guys think about this kind of playing ?
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i thought of it but i stuck on fitting my unmastered bounced down by parts audio tracks and midi parts with mastered wavs.
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I have a basic mastering chain in the master output. Nothing too fancy, just to keep a constant, relatively loud level and to stop any overs that might occour if I am getting a bit silly with the synths/drums.
The main problem when doing this would be mixing the live arrangement in with the CD...you'd have to go the old outro/intro thing were no rythmic parts are present.
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makus
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Xolvexs
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i think it does not really make a difference as most people dont recognize a pre-recorded set from a live one. yes there are a few intelligent species who may realize the problem...but as long as there is enough booze, drugs and all other mind pleasure enhancers..i dont really see it as a problem unless the track skips
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RK9
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 12:29
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How about:
individual performers playing a variety of styles while still keeping a smooth flow, instead of playing a bunch of tracks that sound pretty similar to each other for the whole set
DJs mixing into each other rather than stopping, the crowd claps and the next DJ plays some pretentious intro.
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hardkornate
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I think the whole "omg the flow got disturbed" discussion is really quite trite and generally a bunch of nonsense perpetrated by idealists who have a vision in their head of how they think it should happen that doesn't actually coincide with the reality of human nature.
Over the last 16 years I've seen a lot of shit go down and I have been watching how people behave at parties. Those of you who act like you dance all night or even give your full attention to more than a few sets are either the exception to the rule or completely full of shit. Most people cannot stay focused for more than a short while. 90 min movies confirm this. People interrupting me to talk on the dance floor every few minutes confirms this. All those people smoking outside confirm this. Those pussies sitting by the campfire confirm this. The people back at their tent confirm this. DJ's repeating a track later in the night confirm this. Having someone rock out to my whole set in one town, then rock out to the same exact set in the next and only recognize a few tracks confirms this. People asking you when you play when you just got off confirms this. All the out of shape people that can only dance for five minutes at a time confirm this.
You're complaining about the music changing every hour or two when really you should be more concerned about holding peoples attention five(maybe 3?) minutes at a time.
You're complaining that "oh noes, they are playing music other than what I produce" - get a grip. Only producers and DJ's have such limited taste in music. Most people like variety. That dark artist that you think is clearing the dancefloor is doing you a favor by making sure you sound fresh and new. That prog guy that's boring you to tears? He's just holding back so you can tear it up. The guy playing the cheesy full on? You owe him big cuz he's the only reason theres still girls dancing. (was going to add a morning complaint in, but noone ever whines about the morning acts)
In all honestly, I've never seen more pretentious self centered sub-genre specific egoism than I have with the psy scene. For a group of people that claims to be open minded, you sure like to tell other people how to make, present, and enjoy music. Here's some news for you - people are different. They like different things. Most of them like LOTS of things and in fact like it more if it ends before they get bored of it. So what if you were only perfectly pleased with 30% of the music. Thats generally a problem with YOUR expectations and not with the music itself. So what if you went to the perfect party(for you) and now it's different. Get over yourself and learn how to have a good time wherever you are and I think you'll find that IT'S JUST A PARTY AND THATS A GOOD THING.
Also - whoever was complaining about having to "sit through" Rinkadink is a chode. That is all.
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Posted : Jul 1, 2009 17:02
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On 2009-07-01 16:52, hardkornate wrote:
I think the whole "omg the flow got disturbed" discussion is really quite trite and generally a bunch of nonsense perpetrated by idealists who have a vision in their head of how they think it should happen that doesn't actually coincide with the reality of human nature.
Over the last 16 years I've seen a lot of shit go down and I have been watching how people behave at parties. Those of you who act like you dance all night or even give your full attention to more than a few sets are either the exception to the rule or completely full of shit. Most people cannot stay focused for more than a short while. 90 min movies confirm this. People interrupting me to talk on the dance floor every few minutes confirms this. All those people smoking outside confirm this. Those pussies sitting by the campfire confirm this. The people back at their tent confirm this. DJ's repeating a track later in the night confirm this. Having someone rock out to my whole set in one town, then rock out to the same exact set in the next and only recognize a few tracks confirms this. People asking you when you play when you just got off confirms this. All the out of shape people that can only dance for five minutes at a time confirm this.
You're complaining about the music changing every hour or two when really you should be more concerned about holding peoples attention five(maybe 3?) minutes at a time.
You're complaining that "oh noes, they are playing music other than what I produce" - get a grip. Only producers and DJ's have such limited taste in music. Most people like variety. That dark artist that you think is clearing the dancefloor is doing you a favor by making sure you sound fresh and new. That prog guy that's boring you to tears? He's just holding back so you can tear it up. The guy playing the cheesy full on? You owe him big cuz he's the only reason theres still girls dancing. (was going to add a morning complaint in, but noone ever whines about the morning acts)
In all honestly, I've never seen more pretentious self centered sub-genre specific egoism than I have with the psy scene. For a group of people that claims to be open minded, you sure like to tell other people how to make, present, and enjoy music. Here's some news for you - people are different. They like different things. Most of them like LOTS of things and in fact like it more if it ends before they get bored of it. So what if you were only perfectly pleased with 30% of the music. Thats generally a problem with YOUR expectations and not with the music itself. So what if you went to the perfect party(for you) and now it's different. Get over yourself and learn how to have a good time wherever you are and I think you'll find that IT'S JUST A PARTY AND THATS A GOOD THING.
Also - whoever was complaining about having to "sit through" Rinkadink is a chode. That is all.
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This man speaks the truth!
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jul 1, 2009 17:19
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In all honestly, I've never seen more pretentious self centered sub-genre specific egoism than I have with the psy scene. For a group of people that claims to be open minded, you sure like to tell other people how to make, present, and enjoy music.
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This part of your post I completely agree.I wuld only add not in psy scene but in the music scene at all.
Comparing to other genres plur is a complete utopia here.Nothing against anyone in person here,a lot of you guys ,especially that ones that gives really good advice on music are like my teachers for me and am very glad to read all those interesting things.
Just the essence the imagary,the high attitudes and this battling with arguments what for?
Drop ya egos and spread some good vibes.Respect that we all are subjective different and individual.
Respect!
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Posted : Jul 1, 2009 17:21
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On 2009-07-01 16:52, hardkornate wrote:
In all honestly, I've never seen more pretentious self centered sub-genre specific egoism than I have with the psy scene. For a group of people that claims to be open minded, you sure like to tell other people how to make, present, and enjoy music. |
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I agree with this argument, but then again...
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On 2009-07-01 16:52, hardkornate wrote:
Also - whoever was complaining about having to "sit through" Rinkadink is a chode. That is all.
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You go and do the same thing your self. 
Its not a bad thing though because you see, people like certain things, I am not complaining about who should play what, I simply choose to attend, or not. When I attended the MWNN gig I knew what I had to sit through before hand.
Just because some people know what they like, it don't make them what you present them to be. This thread is about having too many live acts on the same night, and how it would be good to bring back the DJs that have 4+ hours to develop a set.
Some people like a lot of things, more power to them. I used to like a lot of things too, but as I grew older I just focused on the things I really like.
I'll tell you what really is a bunch of non-sense, that one should like and accept anything that gets played, otherwise s/he is a party pooper.
Its just a party and that is a good thing? pyjama parties can only be a good thing....being high on acid and having some twat jump around on stage, playing music that sounds like down syndrome in waveforms, should appeal to everyone, cause after all its just a party right? whatever...
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Ellon
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Posted : Jul 1, 2009 18:26
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On 2009-07-01 16:52, hardkornate wrote:
I think the whole "omg the flow got disturbed" discussion is really quite trite and generally a bunch of nonsense perpetrated by idealists who have a vision in their head of how they think it should happen that doesn't actually coincide with the reality of human nature.
Over the last 16 years I've seen a lot of shit go down and I have been watching how people behave at parties. Those of you who act like you dance all night or even give your full attention to more than a few sets are either the exception to the rule or completely full of shit. Most people cannot stay focused for more than a short while. 90 min movies confirm this. People interrupting me to talk on the dance floor every few minutes confirms this. All those people smoking outside confirm this. Those pussies sitting by the campfire confirm this. The people back at their tent confirm this. DJ's repeating a track later in the night confirm this. Having someone rock out to my whole set in one town, then rock out to the same exact set in the next and only recognize a few tracks confirms this. People asking you when you play when you just got off confirms this. All the out of shape people that can only dance for five minutes at a time confirm this.
You're complaining about the music changing every hour or two when really you should be more concerned about holding peoples attention five(maybe 3?) minutes at a time.
You're complaining that "oh noes, they are playing music other than what I produce" - get a grip. Only producers and DJ's have such limited taste in music. Most people like variety. That dark artist that you think is clearing the dancefloor is doing you a favor by making sure you sound fresh and new. That prog guy that's boring you to tears? He's just holding back so you can tear it up. The guy playing the cheesy full on? You owe him big cuz he's the only reason theres still girls dancing. (was going to add a morning complaint in, but noone ever whines about the morning acts)
In all honestly, I've never seen more pretentious self centered sub-genre specific egoism than I have with the psy scene. For a group of people that claims to be open minded, you sure like to tell other people how to make, present, and enjoy music. Here's some news for you - people are different. They like different things. Most of them like LOTS of things and in fact like it more if it ends before they get bored of it. So what if you were only perfectly pleased with 30% of the music. Thats generally a problem with YOUR expectations and not with the music itself. So what if you went to the perfect party(for you) and now it's different. Get over yourself and learn how to have a good time wherever you are and I think you'll find that IT'S JUST A PARTY AND THATS A GOOD THING.
Also - whoever was complaining about having to "sit through" Rinkadink is a chode. That is all.
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Nice words...some of them!!!
Regarding the party concept, i can only say that 10 years ago when i went to a 12h party i would usually get 2 or 3 maximum, live acts and it was far better than the 12h party with 8 "killaaarrrggghhh" live acts so popular today!!!!
Maybe it's just my feeling but it worked better...more attention for the artists and more responsability. And also when you dont have such a quantity of live acts you tend to stay and pay attention to the few in the line - up instead of "All those people smoking outside...Those pussies sitting by the campfire" who do it because there's always another killllaaarrgggh live coming next!!!!
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ilbone
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I think the whole "omg the flow got disturbed" discussion is really quite trite and generally a bunch of nonsense perpetrated by idealists who have a vision in their head of how they think it should happen that doesn't actually coincide with the reality of human nature.
Over the last 16 years I've seen a lot of shit go down and I have been watching how people behave at parties. Those of you who act like you dance all night or even give your full attention to more than a few sets are either the exception to the rule or completely full of shit. Most people cannot stay focused for more than a short while. 90 min movies confirm this. People interrupting me to talk on the dance floor every few minutes confirms this. All those people smoking outside confirm this. Those pussies sitting by the campfire confirm this. The people back at their tent confirm this. DJ's repeating a track later in the night confirm this. Having someone rock out to my whole set in one town, then rock out to the same exact set in the next and only recognize a few tracks confirms this. People asking you when you play when you just got off confirms this. All the out of shape people that can only dance for five minutes at a time confirm this.
You're complaining about the music changing every hour or two when really you should be more concerned about holding peoples attention five(maybe 3?) minutes at a time.
You're complaining that "oh noes, they are playing music other than what I produce" - get a grip. Only producers and DJ's have such limited taste in music. Most people like variety. That dark artist that you think is clearing the dancefloor is doing you a favor by making sure you sound fresh and new. That prog guy that's boring you to tears? He's just holding back so you can tear it up. The guy playing the cheesy full on? You owe him big cuz he's the only reason theres still girls dancing. (was going to add a morning complaint in, but noone ever whines about the morning acts)
In all honestly, I've never seen more pretentious self centered sub-genre specific egoism than I have with the psy scene. For a group of people that claims to be open minded, you sure like to tell other people how to make, present, and enjoy music. Here's some news for you - people are different. They like different things. Most of them like LOTS of things and in fact like it more if it ends before they get bored of it. So what if you were only perfectly pleased with 30% of the music. Thats generally a problem with YOUR expectations and not with the music itself. So what if you went to the perfect party(for you) and now it's different. Get over yourself and learn how to have a good time wherever you are and I think you'll find that IT'S JUST A PARTY AND THATS A GOOD THING.
Also - whoever was complaining about having to "sit through" Rinkadink is a chode. That is all.
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Well if the music thats being played is absolute crap and the 'flow is disturbed' every 5 to 10 minutes no wonder people at a party try different means of fun, so yes music is the problem and its the artists responsibility to keep the dance floor happy AT ALL TIMES, and this goes to all music genres.
Before i go to a party i check the line up, at least it gives me an idea of what i might be up for, if theres another party and the line up sucks well just dont go ey, if the music is shit and people complain than its their fault who the f... told em to go in the 1st place!, do your research before you go, saves you lot of hassle afterwards.
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On 2009-07-01 16:52, hardkornate wrote:
I think the whole "omg the flow got disturbed" discussion is really quite trite and generally a bunch of nonsense perpetrated by idealists who have a vision in their head of how they think it should happen that doesn't actually coincide with the reality of human nature.
Over the last 16 years I've seen a lot of shit go down and I have been watching how people behave at parties. Those of you who act like you dance all night or even give your full attention to more than a few sets are either the exception to the rule or completely full of shit. Most people cannot stay focused for more than a short while. 90 min movies confirm this. People interrupting me to talk on the dance floor every few minutes confirms this. All those people smoking outside confirm this. Those pussies sitting by the campfire confirm this. The people back at their tent confirm this. DJ's repeating a track later in the night confirm this. Having someone rock out to my whole set in one town, then rock out to the same exact set in the next and only recognize a few tracks confirms this. People asking you when you play when you just got off confirms this. All the out of shape people that can only dance for five minutes at a time confirm this.
You're complaining about the music changing every hour or two when really you should be more concerned about holding peoples attention five(maybe 3?) minutes at a time.
You're complaining that "oh noes, they are playing music other than what I produce" - get a grip. Only producers and DJ's have such limited taste in music. Most people like variety. That dark artist that you think is clearing the dancefloor is doing you a favor by making sure you sound fresh and new. That prog guy that's boring you to tears? He's just holding back so you can tear it up. The guy playing the cheesy full on? You owe him big cuz he's the only reason theres still girls dancing. (was going to add a morning complaint in, but noone ever whines about the morning acts)
In all honestly, I've never seen more pretentious self centered sub-genre specific egoism than I have with the psy scene. For a group of people that claims to be open minded, you sure like to tell other people how to make, present, and enjoy music. Here's some news for you - people are different. They like different things. Most of them like LOTS of things and in fact like it more if it ends before they get bored of it. So what if you were only perfectly pleased with 30% of the music. Thats generally a problem with YOUR expectations and not with the music itself. So what if you went to the perfect party(for you) and now it's different. Get over yourself and learn how to have a good time wherever you are and I think you'll find that IT'S JUST A PARTY AND THATS A GOOD THING.
Also - whoever was complaining about having to "sit through" Rinkadink is a chode. That is all.
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This is why I luv ya nate!
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