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Martian Arts
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Posted : Jun 27, 2009 14:15
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On 2009-06-27 13:47, ocelot wrote:
so it sounds like you miss the journey then.
when a dj or artist plays a long set without feeling the need to jam some killers into 1.5 hours they can really take you on a journey, through soft and hard and this and that...
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Exactly. One thing I should point out though, is that I need the party to progress in how busy the tunes are and how fast they are. I cannot stand having to listen to frenetic tempos and walls of noise of what people call night time music/dark psy, early on in the party simply because it is still night outside, before we go into some "normal" psy-trance (no walls of noise, tempos 145 and below, no circus leads).
I went to see Dick Trevor play out and Digital Talk was on before him...what a fucking mistake that was...That kind of music (dark psy/neurotrance/whateveritscalled) is for me best left for parties that bang your brain senseless from start to finish with that stuff.
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On 2009-06-27 14:11, Stregone wrote:
I already have organised few big partys and I can tell you the people were really happy with the line up and the variety of styles, we've had everything, from progressive to cheesy full-on passing from big dark tech trance, funky suomi and so on.... but what was the most important is the flow... and to makes sure the artists speak each others.... so if a big dark set finish and a dj play after, they can stop and restart in a coherent way... and so on!
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That sounds like a nightmare to me. The typical party I would not go to.
So we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. 
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Stregone
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Posted : Jun 27, 2009 14:54
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At all, because it was a party on 24 hours, starting saturday afternoon with chill out, going on with progressive, then full-on progressive, then hi tech dark-full-on then dark, then twisted full-on then melodic full-on then tech trance progressive and finishing with dub chill out...
So you had a real journeys from soft to strong and back to soft all accorded with the right timing and the amount of light....
And I can tell you that on the 2000 people who where there no one has complained on the music... and it's rare 
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demoniac
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Posted : Jun 27, 2009 15:00
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Martian Arts
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Posted : Jun 27, 2009 15:22
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On 2009-06-27 14:54, Stregone wrote:
then hi tech dark-full-on then dark
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Right, I have to make a "confession" at this point. I went to my first parties in 1994 and fell in love with psy-trance. These new sub-genres are for me outside the scope of psychedelic trance. I am extremly passionate about this music and parties and this makes me extremely subjective about dropping all these very different kinds of music in the same party. They ruin everything for me.
So for the sake of this thread, I'll just stop right here.
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Posted : Jun 27, 2009 22:55
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I agrre with the original topic, a good dj with 2-3 hours set is far more intresting than most live acts.
I dnt know why the psy scene has undermined so much dj's, the other scenes seem very happy with them.
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Elad
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Posted : Jun 27, 2009 23:27
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im very happy to play dj sets and fit my tracks into it .. i have multiple styles so i can mix it into prog fullon dark suomi and every psy on the book (and some out of it too) , as well if it doesnt fit i will not play my stuff if i feel there is better things to play at given moment.
the 1 small problem is that all my bookings are for live and that meens they do want me to play just originals throu 1.5 hour.. so im kinda commited to do that , and really , enjoying every moment and not seeing dancefloors go empty at all  www.sattelbattle.com
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Posted : Jun 28, 2009 12:12
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The point is in the end that no matter how good your mixing capabilities are its the quality of the music that counts, whether youre using cdjs, turtables, ableton or tractor it doesnt matter as long as the music is being played in the right sequence.
One can ruin a set just by playing a tune at the wrong time, the set has to be flowing whatever the genre is, and like many said time plays a big part, 3 hrs minumum is a must. |
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Dovla
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Posted : Jun 29, 2009 02:40
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give me james monro's dj sets over any live act...
I agree we need more DJ sets and less live acts, if you have 3-4 live acts in succession that play different styles it kinda breaks up the whole story...I'd rather hear a long 4 hour DJ set by someone who knows how to make it than a guy who opens a laptop and presses play..
nowadays most festivals just pack in as many live acts as they can hoping to get more people to visit and in the end we get a big mash up and dj sets rarely go over 2 hours...from my own DJing experience it takes me around an hour/hour and half to get really warmed up and then I really start to enjoy myself
I would however love to see more original live acts with improvisation, then it would make sense to have less DJ sets
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 29, 2009 03:57
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On 2009-06-29 02:40, Dovla wrote:
I would however love to see more original live acts with improvisation, then it would make sense to have less DJ sets
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Some original live acts with improvisation can even switch their sets around half-way through to respond to the dancefloor, like a DJ... and if they can play live for 2 hours or even 3 or 4 cos they have tracks in all kinds of styles, they get the chance to create a proper journey. Not many acts like that around though.
I agree with the original post however; the parties which gave me a lot of my original inspiration back in the 90s only had 4 DJs all night... and the same 4 DJs every time, just in a different order from month to month. No live acts at all (other than the once for a special occasion ) but believe me, they weren't missed.
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Posted : Jun 29, 2009 12:24
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On 2009-06-27 14:54, Stregone wrote:
then hi tech dark-full-on then dark
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Right, I have to make a "confession" at this point. I went to my first parties in 1994 and fell in love with psy-trance. These new sub-genres are for me outside the scope of psychedelic trance. I am extremly passionate about this music and parties and this makes me extremely subjective about dropping all these very different kinds of music in the same party. They ruin everything for me.
So for the sake of this thread, I'll just stop right here.
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what is "normal" psy trance to you then?
you mentioned digital talk as being rather hard or crazy and i have to wonder.... they are considered pretty middle of the road last time i checked (soulclipse turkey 2006)
not very extreme anyway.
a bit harder than dickster to be sure but not above 146 or so and rather minimal if i remember right.. what year was that party?
i mean nothing personal, but with a name including the word disco i just have to ask.
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Martian Arts
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Posted : Jun 29, 2009 13:06
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On 2009-06-29 12:24, ocelot wrote:
what is "normal" psy trance to you then? |
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tristan, kox box, X-Dream, Transwave, GBU, bamboo forest...that kind of stuff
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On 2009-06-29 12:24, ocelot wrote:
you mentioned digital talk as being rather hard or crazy and i have to wonder.... they are considered pretty middle of the road last time i checked (soulclipse turkey 2006)
not very extreme anyway.
a bit harder than dickster to be sure but not above 146 or so and rather minimal if i remember right.. what year was that party? |
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2009. It was not minimal at all, there were walls of silly glitch, noise and circus leads, odd breaks...etc. Some people like that stuff and that's fair enough, it just puts me off big time. 146 is pretty fast for me as well, but its not just tempo that makes "extreme" as you said, music.
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On 2009-06-29 12:24, ocelot wrote:
i mean nothing personal, but with a name including the word disco i just have to ask.
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So what does including the word Disco, make you think?
We've included the word Hooligans as well....does that make up for using the word Disco?
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 29, 2009 13:23
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The discussion of semantics between a South American jungle cat and the clubhopping soccer fans is taking a turn for the petty.
What's the point?
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Martian Arts
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Posted : Jun 29, 2009 13:58
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One more thing, the use of the word "Hooligans" is not for relating trance with soccer. I love soccer but it has nothing to do with it in this context.
In 1995 (I think or 96) when the free trance parties were hunted down by the media and police, someone reffered to angry ravers that went out to raves did drugs and generaly missbehaved, as Disco Hooligans.
There was an issue here in Greece in the mid 90s with "trancers" and footbal teams. They wore their team's jersey when they went out and there were fights because of this. Extremely stupid times back then...
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 29, 2009 14:06
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Yeah I know. My point is, we all use silly monikers. I just don't see how it relates to the topic. That's all.
We should get Kanibal Holokaust in here to straighten this issue out. 
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Martian Arts
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Posted : Jun 29, 2009 14:13
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Yes we do. I assume ocelot means that my taste in music is rather soft since we used the word disco in our name...but assumption is the mother of all fuck ups so I am waiting to see what he really meant.
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