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Ascension
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 21:18
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On 2009-06-26 20:41, disco hooligans wrote:
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On 2009-06-26 20:32, Ascension wrote:
I like the versatility that a dj can bring to a set, but I also enjoy booking acts that I think people will like to hear and play their original and previously unheard music. In the end you should expect nothing other than that act to play their music and only their style of music during their set- this is why you book live acts, so I don't see much point to complaining about this aspect of a live act...
There are also plenty of djs who can clear a dancefloor even if they are changing up what they are playing...
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I am not complaining about live acts being the way they are, I am complaining about booking so many live acts in a party...the average live act will play 1:30 hours of music, and tunes that are not as diverse as the tunes a DJ can select. Then the music changes dramaticaly when the act is over and the live act has a much smaller range of tunes to choose from in order to build up the party...unlike a DJ.
And if you book, say kox box for a DJ set, you will hear his unreleased material.
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You can book live acts that flow into each other though, i've seen it done many times. For 90 minutes of music most djs would stay within a narrow spectrum of sounds, so having a live act play only their stuff really shouldn't be that much different.
Having a live act play during a transition period may not work that well if they don't have music to match it, but once again, that's the promoters responsibility to put them at a proper time in the lineup. What I mean is you wouldn't have a dark live act play during a time that's transitioning into dark or out of dark, you would have them play during a time where only dark music would be played. If it's a good producer, their music should contain enough diversity within itself too. I don't think that you always automatically get the "island of sound" effect when booking live acts.  http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 21:32
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I guess we just have different experiences. Speaking for my self I have never been to a party with 2-3 live acts that had the flow of a trance party with 2 DJs playing 3+ hour sets
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Yuli
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 21:49
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On 2009-06-26 20:34, Axis Mundi wrote:
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On 2009-06-26 19:26, Yuli wrote:
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On 2009-06-26 18:27, hardkornate wrote:
Honestly, I prefer if the"live" act is the producer DJ'ing(ableton or traktor please, 2 cdj's ain't enough) his unreleased stuff and remixes of his released stuff.
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2 CDJs is not enough if you don't have idea how to use them. And obviously you don't have an idea how to use them. I, on the other hand have an idea how to use them, this is why I play sometimes 3 DJ sets a weekend, with those CDJ's
To all the ppl that think, that they can cover up their mediocre mixing skills with program that will do the mixes for them, remember!! One has to have a real talent to mix music for 2 hours, it has much more to it than fix 2 tracks on top of each other to mix before crowd and sound like you know what you are doing!!!
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As a DJ it's not necessary to do it that way. You can have all your tracks or pieces of tracks you want to play) in a folder to the side and choose from them as you need them. You can have your two (or more) audio tracks in Ableton going to corresponding mixer channels and mix on the mixer just as if you were playing CD-J's. As well as many other sorts of setups more complicated than that involving all sorts of MID/synth gear and other dongles.
There was a time when vinyl and DAT players scoffed at your technique of mixing on CD-J's. Now the CD technique has proven itself and the people who play on CD-J's scoff at the people who DJ with their laptop.
Eventually the technology can't be ignored. It happened before and it will happen again.
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I have no problem with the Software / Hardware or the Technology. I have problem with lazy and untalented individuals, that use that software / hardware, thinking that this automatic beat matching will solve al their problems, and now they can be better DJ's than John Digweed.
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Jedi_knight
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 21:56
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On 2009-06-26 17:28:45, disco hooligans wrote:
This is mainly towards the promoters, but the rest of us, feel free to share an opinion.
Most live acts are fake anyway, they only play and will play their own tunes, irrespective if they are clearing the dancefloor or not. its like a rock gig...a one nighter with 2-3 live acts?!
what happened to maybe one live act and a couple of djs? they are far more flexible as to what music they can play, there is no (less) pretentiouness and if they have 3 hours to build a set, then there is a far better flow for the party instead of having 3 acts, completely changing from one style to another with one short pause for people to clap.
a party had a flow, it was continuous and you did not have "x" live act trying to destroy the dancefloor more than the next live act, just so they can say they played harder music.
stop the electronic rock gigs....bring back the trance parties.
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I totally agree !!!
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 22:05
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I have no problem with the Software / Hardware or the Technology. I have problem with lazy and untalented individuals, that use that software / hardware, thinking that this automatic beat matching will solve al their problems, and now they can be better DJ's than John Digweed.
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I do agree fully with that. It really is astounding to me to see people from the brand new to some of the biggest names in DJing doing all their sets from pre-arranged Arrangement Mode. I'm glad yuo feel that way. I'm a big fan of Ableton and I think it holds a lot of potential, but it's definitely a double edged sword. Most people do abuse it or don't utilize its potential fully. And my DJ roommate can completely move a dancefloor with two CD-Js. I just try, when people seem to focus on dissing the software platform rather than the person "controlling" it, that it's just a tool and the responsibility should fall on the person using it.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 22:12
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Its all about the selection of tunes (assuming that someone can beatmix two tunes together, in case s/he can't they are not DJs), especially in a trance party. The whole 2+ live acts a night, thing, has had a bad effect on DJs as well. take for instance your average full on party with 3 live acts that fall under that category. each and everyone of them is going to come in hammering their best tunes and don't tell me any live act would settle for a softer impact on the dancefloor if they are not playing last.
DJs do the same thing nowdays, everyone just wants to blow the next guy out of the water. that's bad news for parties. the DJ's ego, is taking over the importance of the whole party as an entity (for the lack of a better word).
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Ascension
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 22:33
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This all depends on where you are at when you go to parties. This is far from what happens at parties in the midwest USA and most of what I've seen in other parts of the US.
I usually talk to the person playing before me to get an idea of what they are gonna end with so I can flow out of their set better-I think everyone should do this, but I know it doesn't/won't be the case.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 23:13
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Posted : Jun 27, 2009 01:21
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On 2009-06-26 22:12, disco hooligans wrote:
... the DJ's ego, is taking over the importance of the whole party as an entity (for the lack of a better word).
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This one of the reasons I don't enjoy parties so much anymore.
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Posted : Jun 27, 2009 02:49
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I agree....it takes a DJ, sometimes a little bit to really feel the flow and create a good energy.....1 hour or 1 hour and 1/2 slots are not cool.....You never get the chance to really build the energy slowly.....It's like a race to the next guy......however, when you have like 3 friends in a row that play, then they each can create their own part of the journey and that in itself is interesting.... |
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ocelot
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Posted : Jun 27, 2009 03:39
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don't blame the "hammer it with only killers"
concept on live acts- anyone can do that one.
i've seen a dj do that with no one else even there to compete!
automatically 4 red lights the whole time and basically the same track for 2 hours...
it depends WHO is playing man 
whether you want to hear 3 tracks or 4 hours...
what crap party got you off on this topic?
dont bring that act again is my advice
get a better one...then you won't have to be cynical.
but i agree about one thing... this whole "god worship" crap about dj's or artists is just ridiculous...
the problem is simply the stages are too high.
we did an experiment once... put the speakers on one side of the dancefloor and the dj on the other and people STILL danced facing the dj!
its like they need a frikking priest or something...
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ocelot
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Posted : Jun 27, 2009 03:48
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On 2009-06-26 22:12, disco hooligans wrote:
Its all about the selection of tunes (assuming that someone can beatmix two tunes together, in case s/he can't they are not DJs), especially in a trance party. The whole 2+ live acts a night, thing, has had a bad effect on DJs as well. take for instance your average full on party with 3 live acts that fall under that category. each and everyone of them is going to come in hammering their best tunes and don't tell me any live act would settle for a softer impact on the dancefloor if they are not playing last.
DJs do the same thing nowdays, everyone just wants to blow the next guy out of the water. that's bad news for parties. the DJ's ego, is taking over the importance of the whole party as an entity (for the lack of a better word).
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this sentiment was why i started the topic "soft vs hard" that you thought was useless.
i am tired of playing right after some dj that only beat the shit out of people for fun and likes to play only wham bam thank you maam... im tired of playing after them because as soon as i want to do something different and maybe more interesting its like going "DOWN" in energy...
why does everything have to be maximum all the time?
also i think you are referring to the full-on factory approach- where every live act is the best in the world and the most talented, where every track is the epic peak of the night...
some parties, orgs, and people are into hype... |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jun 27, 2009 10:32
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On 2009-06-27 03:39, ocelot wrote:
what crap party got you off on this topic?
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It was not a party in particular, I was having a conversation with my mate Jordan who has been DJing all over the world since 1997 and we both said that back in the day you only need to know one of the DJs that would play in order to attend. What I am saying is that back in those days, DJs would play 4+ hour sets and that one name, was enough for you to decide on whether you would go or not. Now days there are lots of big names and they don't have enough time to play and if I want to hear 1:30 of MWNN, I have to sit through 1:30 of Rinkadink and 1:30 of U-Recken, which ultimately puts me off big time.
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On 2009-06-27 03:48, ocelot wrote:
this sentiment was why i started the topic "soft vs hard" that you thought was useless.
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Its not. Its useless to speak about "soft vs hard" when they are both absolutely necessary. Everyone wants some sort of progress from soft to hard, and anyone who wants to get blasted with hard music from the early hours of the party, is plain wrong, or simply ease up on the drugs.
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ocelot
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Posted : Jun 27, 2009 13:47
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On 2009-06-27 10:32, disco hooligans wrote:
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On 2009-06-27 03:39, ocelot wrote:
what crap party got you off on this topic?
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It was not a party in particular, I was having a conversation with my mate Jordan who has been DJing all over the world since 1997 and we both said that back in the day you only need to know one of the DJs that would play in order to attend. What I am saying is that back in those days, DJs would play 4+ hour sets and that one name, was enough for you to decide on whether you would go or not. Now days there are lots of big names and they don't have enough time to play and if I want to hear 1:30 of MWNN, I have to sit through 1:30 of Rinkadink and 1:30 of U-Recken, which ultimately puts me off big time.
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On 2009-06-27 03:48, ocelot wrote:
this sentiment was why i started the topic "soft vs hard" that you thought was useless.
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Its not. Its useless to speak about "soft vs hard" when they are both absolutely necessary. Everyone wants some sort of progress from soft to hard, and anyone who wants to get blasted with hard music from the early hours of the party, is plain wrong, or simply ease up on the drugs.
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so it sounds like you miss the journey then.
when a dj or artist plays a long set without feeling the need to jam some killers into 1.5 hours they can really take you on a journey, through soft and hard and this and that... |
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Stregone
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Posted : Jun 27, 2009 14:11
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I think this is a lot of bla bla....
The fact is that nowadays you have a large possibility of acting and of choose...
There are good partys and bad partys, good artists and dj's and bad artists and dj's....
This is the world in the years 2000... much things much music much possibilitys... is what you choose the important....
If you know that in many partys the things are done in a way you don't like, you don't go to those partys and that's it and everybody can organise partys with 4 dj's who play 4 hours each.... so if you want that do it...
Personally I like also when there are many dj's who plays 2 hours with between in them live acts even if those live axcts will maybe play "live" playback set, this is the product of their hard work in studio... so it will be something fresh and new...
But all this depends on your choice of who you call to play, how much you know their music and how they perform in live or dj and how you choose to put them in the line up....
I already have organised few big partys and I can tell you the people were really happy with the line up and the variety of styles, we've had everything, from progressive to cheesy full-on passing from big dark tech trance, funky suomi and so on.... but what was the most important is the flow... and to makes sure the artists speak each others.... so if a big dark set finish and a dj play after, they can stop and restart in a coherent way... and so on!
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