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Nectarios
Martian Arts
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 17:28:45
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This is mainly towards the promoters, but the rest of us, feel free to share an opinion.
Most live acts are fake anyway, they only play and will play their own tunes, irrespective if they are clearing the dancefloor or not. its like a rock gig...a one nighter with 2-3 live acts?!
what happened to maybe one live act and a couple of djs? they are far more flexible as to what music they can play, there is no (less) pretentiouness and if they have 3 hours to build a set, then there is a far better flow for the party instead of having 3 acts, completely changing from one style to another with one short pause for people to clap.
a party had a flow, it was continuous and you did not have "x" live act trying to destroy the dancefloor more than the next live act, just so they can say they played harder music.
stop the electronic rock gigs....bring back the trance parties.
 
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 17:52
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I think an issue has to do with the advent of software such as Ableton Live blurring the idea of what "playing live" really is. It used to be that "live" meant more than one person and more synths and other tools than one could count. It's true that it's all too easy to fake it and most live acts do that. There are plenty of DJs that can keep a floor moving. On the other hand, with programs like Ableton, a DJ can really rinse out some serious mixes. I think a part of it is laziness and another part is people just don't know how to make the most of the platform. Or both. Anyway, +1 to this topic.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 17:55
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On 2009-06-26 17:52, Axis Mundi wrote:
On the other hand, with programs like Ableton, a DJ can really rinse out some serious mixes.
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Another reason why we should bring back the DJs...I am not some old fashioned guy only accepting a DJ if he spins DAT tapes, vinyl, or CDs.
Promoters have gotten them selves stuck in a bad loop. Its cheaper for them to book less people overall and have them play DJ set for longer hours and its better for the party goers who want parties and not rock gigs.
Its a win-win situation really.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 18:11
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Totally!
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hardkornate
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 18:27
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Honestly, I prefer if the"live" act is the producer DJ'ing(ableton or traktor please, 2 cdj's ain't enough) his unreleased stuff and remixes of his released stuff.
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daark
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 18:51
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and if there is no live dont write LIVE man |
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daark
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 18:52
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total bullshit |
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Yuli
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 19:26
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On 2009-06-26 18:27, hardkornate wrote:
Honestly, I prefer if the"live" act is the producer DJ'ing(ableton or traktor please, 2 cdj's ain't enough) his unreleased stuff and remixes of his released stuff.
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2 CDJs is not enough if you don't have idea how to use them. And obviously you don't have an idea how to use them. I, on the other hand have an idea how to use them, this is why I play sometimes 3 DJ sets a weekend, with those CDJ's
To all the ppl that think, that they can cover up their mediocre mixing skills with program that will do the mixes for them, remember!! One has to have a real talent to mix music for 2 hours, it has much more to it than fix 2 tracks on top of each other to mix before crowd and sound like you know what you are doing!!!
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rich
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 19:27
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Actually what I'd like to see, and I think this is what Shahar was alluding to in another topic, is for DJs to play longer sets.
Let the DJ have time to create a journey. dig deep in his collection and pull out favorites he dances to alone in his living room. take us somewhere with real feeling and meaning.
From my experience, seems that's lacking these days.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 19:38
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On 2009-06-26 17:28:45, disco hooligans wrote:
they only play and will play their own tunes, irrespective if they are clearing the dancefloor or not.
stop the electronic rock gigs....bring back the trance parties.
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word up, +1
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 20:22
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Agreed 100%. Good DJs are far more versatile than most of what passes for "live" acts in this scene. My favourite sets tend to be put on by guys like James Monro, D-Nox, Peter Didgital, and (props!) Perfect Stranger. It isn't even that progressive is the only style I like (far from it) but that seems to be what attracts talent and craftsmanship. Every good festival line-up needs a few 3 hour slots for top-notch DJs to build a real journey.
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Ascension
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 20:32
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I like the versatility that a dj can bring to a set, but I also enjoy booking acts that I think people will like to hear and play their original and previously unheard music. In the end you should expect nothing other than that act to play their music and only their style of music during their set- this is why you book live acts, so I don't see much point to complaining about this aspect of a live act...
There are also plenty of djs who can clear a dancefloor even if they are changing up what they are playing...
It's also the promoters fault for not booking a lineup that will flow. I've been to and been part of many parties that have 4-5 live acts in a row and the flow was spot on. http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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Nectarios
Martian Arts
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 20:33
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On 2009-06-26 20:22, Basilisk wrote:
My favourite sets tend to be put on by guys like James Monro, Peter Didgital
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I've been lucky enough to be on the dancefloor when these guys were on the decks. What a ride! Especially James, he can cross between genres in such a way that no one else can...he just picks the most slamming material from trance, prog, tech-house, all so diverse but equally devastating on the dancefloor.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 20:34
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On 2009-06-26 18:27, hardkornate wrote:
Honestly, I prefer if the"live" act is the producer DJ'ing(ableton or traktor please, 2 cdj's ain't enough) his unreleased stuff and remixes of his released stuff.
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2 CDJs is not enough if you don't have idea how to use them. And obviously you don't have an idea how to use them. I, on the other hand have an idea how to use them, this is why I play sometimes 3 DJ sets a weekend, with those CDJ's
To all the ppl that think, that they can cover up their mediocre mixing skills with program that will do the mixes for them, remember!! One has to have a real talent to mix music for 2 hours, it has much more to it than fix 2 tracks on top of each other to mix before crowd and sound like you know what you are doing!!!
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As a DJ it's not necessary to do it that way. You can have all your tracks or pieces of tracks you want to play) in a folder to the side and choose from them as you need them. You can have your two (or more) audio tracks in Ableton going to corresponding mixer channels and mix on the mixer just as if you were playing CD-J's. As well as many other sorts of setups more complicated than that involving all sorts of MID/synth gear and other dongles.
There was a time when vinyl and DAT players scoffed at your technique of mixing on CD-J's. Now the CD technique has proven itself and the people who play on CD-J's scoff at the people who DJ with their laptop.
Eventually the technology can't be ignored. It happened before and it will happen again.
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Nectarios
Martian Arts
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Posted : Jun 26, 2009 20:41
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On 2009-06-26 20:32, Ascension wrote:
I like the versatility that a dj can bring to a set, but I also enjoy booking acts that I think people will like to hear and play their original and previously unheard music. In the end you should expect nothing other than that act to play their music and only their style of music during their set- this is why you book live acts, so I don't see much point to complaining about this aspect of a live act...
There are also plenty of djs who can clear a dancefloor even if they are changing up what they are playing...
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I am not complaining about live acts being the way they are, I am complaining about booking so many live acts in a party...the average live act will play 1:30 hours of music, and tunes that are not as diverse as the tunes a DJ can select. Then the music changes dramaticaly when the act is over and the live act has a much smaller range of tunes to choose from in order to build up the party...unlike a DJ.
And if you book, say kox box for a DJ set, you will hear his unreleased material.
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