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Yellow Warrior
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Posted : Dec 31, 2005 14:47
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Thank you all so much for replying!!
i don't know about talolard idess of women coming and all but i'll try it out!!! 
Hey, Thanks Lord Deo! I'm sure going to check those out.
Thanks man Nikc and everyone else!
I might be pushing my luck here a little but anychance you guys could check my track and see if i am going in the right direction?
here is a link -
www.soundclick.com/wakantanka
But Please, if there are any more ideas Please share.
Ok am off to try some of these tricks now.
Ciao Ciao!
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ganjagil
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Posted : Dec 31, 2005 17:29
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Hey bharath man try using also some chord like c,e,g for example depending on the scale you are using this creates expression sounds, put a lot of reverb on them so they sound in a room somewere. You can use a good line and play a lot with the cutoff of it, it is important that you get to know cutoff and volume combined to make a line really go through peoples heads. Also forget the build up kicks man it's too old you should use a beautiful swoosh long or short or both if you like. Expand your mind create effects and sounds sequence them and bring some from the intro if you like. Create many try them and then choose the best! Forget about LFO Sweeps man it's also too old and sounds like shit! Anyway it's all in your hands man open your hearth to music and you can express your very best inside of it!
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Lord Deo
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Posted : Jan 2, 2006 06:41
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Freeflow
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I think you need more variation in there!
much more..IMO
and more layers of sound..
what do you think, your self? i dont know what you are after...
it sounds a little rigid.. well Lord Deo said it best, military! is that how you want it to sound?
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Fragletrollet
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Posted : Jan 2, 2006 17:49
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Yellow Warrior
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Posted : Jan 2, 2006 23:25
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Thank You all again!!
@Ganja, thanks man! I will try those things you said.
Like you guys said, it needs a lot more work and i have to still do those things. I stopped in between for exams! 
But i will keep those tips in mind. Thanks!
@Fragletrollet and New Era Scientist - Thats actually my first attempt at making any sort of music!
Yes, I am looking for the military or Rigid type of feel only.
New Era Scientist, when you say rigid do you mean monotonous? Anyway, you asked so let me explain what i am looking for, hehehehe....
For me Rigid is the march Past type of music Lets see if ii can explain---- to start with the bassline is Jumpy, the bassline is saying to the dancer - "Move, or I'll Kick your backside" i like it to dominate! ahahha.... with lots of elements like the weird noises, atmos, percusssions catching you out now and then Breaks are obviously important but when i use them its almost like the whole thing comes to a stop and then goes again. Its fckin crap! I got so pissed of with not being able to move forward i said fuck it and finished it somehwre and started on another track. I think the track with more bits a more flow will be good. Anyone got any more ideas??
Anyway, most importatntly i like to hold on to that piece of 'string' thats complements the march past bassline or feeling. you know? Powerful, yet quite Beautiful! I LIKE THAT FEELING! Unforunately, i've run out of ideas. 
So, Please come forward!
@Fragletrollet - Jesus Man!  that little snippet was Kick Ass! Thats the kind of basslines i'm looking for! Any chance i could hear the whole Track.
Anyway, Thanks again everyone and if this is going off topic, Please send me a PM or something. I'd really appreciate it!!
Thanks and Happy New Year to all! 
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 3, 2006 00:07
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good job playing around with the sounds...some funny stuff 
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 3, 2006 00:46
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Bharath - i miss the groove, and the flow...
i think the bass is rigid.. a little too stiff for me...
yes i think the track is monotonous...
droney and monotonous and in the end its kind of tendious...
im not being negative just for the sake of it... im just trying to be honest...
im going to tell you what i like..
The shakers that flyes by..
the openhat is nice..
the begining sounds promising.. and when the first leads starts its still sounding good...
but when the bass and percussion is stiff, you could play around more with the sounds and make them groove more and be interesting....
i think if you make the lead longer.. add some modulation to it and add more atmospheres and spooky sounds this could be more psychedelic..
and the clave in the end is mixed to high... make something interesting of it... i rather have one clave hit with lots of reverb on it, then a clave rhythm that has nothing to correspond to.. like it has in latin music..
like i said, in the end it sounds like a loop is going on and on.. that is tendious... you could do something about that..
anyway, thats my critique.. take it or leave it.. hehe |
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Lord Deo
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Posted : Jan 3, 2006 04:13
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On 2006-01-02 23:25, Bharath wrote:
I got so pissed of with not being able to move forward i said fuck it and finished it somehwre and started on another track. I think the track with more bits a more flow will be good. Anyone got any more ideas??
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From my personal experience, if you get stuck on one track it's much better to leave it there, and come back later, days, weeks, maybe even months later. That way when you listen to it again, you will notice stuff about it, that slipped through your attention before, and it will be easier for you to rearrange and add new elements as opposed to rearranging finished track.
anyway, i honestly hate telling people how they should make their music so i won't go any further. just like i said before, you're on the right track, just keep on experimenting, practicing and you will eventually hit that G-Spot you're after 
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illusions
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Posted : Jan 3, 2006 04:57
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bharath: whats going on man ? will check out what you've done this evening and try and give you some advice.
as for breaks - as someone said earlier in this thread, take a track that you like, pop it into your sequencer and analyze (even use the color tool) the structure. most of the tracks that work really well on the dancefloor all have a set breakdown/buildup pattern.
i like to put elements of 'what is going to come' into my breaks (bits of a lead that is coming in shortly after, modulated percussion etc..) Just get a feel for when you need to break down, and the rest is left up to your creative imagination. When working more with audio, you can really just cut/chop/audio process absolutely everything - giving you so much more to work with.
also - remember to automate/modulate your sounds over time. things get very boring if there is no change, theres only so long a certain sound/lead/fx can stay interesting for. either combine it with something else, or remove it completely.
for buildups - i think NikC put things in perspective. its all about the teasing. the usual fullon formula would be a filtered bassline, lots of kick/snare rolls, a riser, some wooshes, pan like a madman just before the end of your build - put in a standard psychedelic voice sample "im so high", and then BAM, slam it right back in.
but i don't want to promote that kinda music, so i wont say anything on buildups. use your imagination my friend
hope that helped somewhat. take it easy man!
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Yellow Warrior
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Posted : Jan 3, 2006 13:01
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Thanks again Guys!!
Some great advice in there. with my new track am going to try as much of these ideas as possible. Hopefully, it will be better than the first one. hehe..
@New Era Scientist and Lord Deo, Thanks for taking the time! Can i PM you my track for review, once its done?
Hey Benny! Hope you had a good New years man! Such a shame we could not spend more time in bangalore! but you know what was happening Am planning on coming again in march sometime for a while longer, we must hook up then. will call you sometime soon bro, take Care.
Again, Thank you all so much for your help!
Wishing Everyone a Happy New Year!! 
bharath.
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Fragletrollet
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Posted : Jan 3, 2006 17:51
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On 2006-01-02 23:25, Bharath wrote:
@Fragletrollet - Jesus Man! that little snippet was Kick Ass! Thats the kind of basslines i'm looking for! Any chance i could hear the whole Track.
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Ill probably post the track in the new tracks forum when its finished. 170 bpm
The bassline is Albino2, 1/64 notes. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 3, 2006 18:22
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On 2006-01-03 04:13, Lord Deo wrote:
anyway, i honestly hate telling people how they should make their music so i won't go any further. just like i said before, you're on the right track, just keep on experimenting, practicing and you will eventually hit that G-Spot you're after
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sure i agree to this, i know how it is when something you find is good and somebody says, you can do this or that with this lead(for example) ... you get sort of down, and sometimes dont have the lust to change it... cause you might feel this is my vision. my idea.. but have you really rethought it, is this really the idea.. when
did this part come to play, was it a quick solution or a hard worked piece?
i think its better to get stuck, and doubt your vision than to work with something that maybe lacks something important.
to tell people how to make their music demands alot of money just kidding.. back to serious again..
no its not fun to tell people that this is how you should do it...and so we shouldnt,
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instead see your inputs as ideas to others.. not fixed rules... maybe something you said will get somebody to follow that line but in the end make their own choices...
you got your vision, share it and let others decide if they want to take part of it or not... to just be overly positive when somebody wants feeback, might work very good.. and we just have to wait for the results.. but you can mix positivity with some hints that you think can do good...
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Lord Deo
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Posted : Jan 3, 2006 22:38
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 3, 2006 23:19
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Lord Deo - of course you can talk for me
yes of course Bharath, id be glad to give some feedback.. give me a Pm |
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