Yes, ive been noticing the lineups, reviews and opinions of festivals about this influx of House/Tech/ Minimal .. I mean... Whats all this doin at a Psytrance Festival anyways??? .. Yes its ok... when u have an alternative stage which is exactly meant for that... But on a mainfloor? Thts bummer....
Hearing a lot about the daytime and afternoon rants at Boom... how were the night-time sets?
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On 2010-09-03 18:42, Braindrop wrote:
Yes, ive been noticing the lineups, reviews and opinions of festivals about this influx of House/Tech/ Minimal .. I mean... Whats all this doin at a Psytrance Festival anyways??? .. Yes its ok... when u have an alternative stage which is exactly meant for that... But on a mainfloor? Thts bummer....
Hearing a lot about the daytime and afternoon rants at Boom... how were the night-time sets?
Very Good: Filteria (no words), The Nuns (classic but powerful), Ankur (good taste), Aodioiboa (fast can be fun, creative with different textures), Haltya (da man...more powerful than expected), Jahbo (beautiful twilight set..less foresty than expected)
Expected More: Kerosene Club, Kulu (i guess they dont play my style of music)...the same with Ken (though i was not expecting anything from him)
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Seen some photos of people with signs and bodypaint saying "Minimal is not trance" and "Don't fuck my drop"... here are some of my thoughts.
Who were those signs aimed at? The organisers? Do the sign-bearers really think that the entire lineup of the festival will be reorganised because they don't like the DJ who's playing there at the moment? If they're not for the organisers to read, then who? The other partygoers? So those people are telling others that they're dancing to the wrong music? Whatever happened to tolerance, acceptance and open-mindedness? Sounds to me like it's the sign-bearers who have lost sight of psy ethics, not anyone else.
"Don't fuck my drop"? YOU wrote that on your back, not anyone else. The only person fucking your drop with bad vibes is YOU.
It's a shame that not everyone enjoyed all the music all the time, but this is only to be expected, especially at such a large festival. In my view it's the people with their pointless signs and arrogant expectation that their desires are the only ones which deserve to be satisfied who are really spoiling the festival, not the people choosing the acts and not the people having the time of their lives dancing and listening to them. This is not the psy vibe I know and love.
As someone who has been involved in psytrance and its associated genres since 1994, my musical horizons have been widened immeasurably by the open-mindedness and wide-ranging influences that psytrance has always espoused, and I thoroughly enjoyed all my time (if not absolutely 100% of the music!) on Boom's main dancefloor this year, at all times of the day and night, as well as lushing it up on the Groovy Beach. No festival will ever be perfect but Boom comes closer than many, and I only hope those who have closed their eyes to the infinite variety of psychedelic sounds will open them again and see how much more there is in the world of psy to enjoy, rather than to denigrate.
It's an old thing that if people don't like something or critizise something they are blamed for being intolerant or narrow minded. It's an easy card to pull in a discussion and a discussion killer just like "you just want to be right".
In fact I think tolerance is worth nothing anyways and should be avoided since there are much better solutions than tolerance:
Either I ACCEPT something and adapt a new world into mine or I say why I don't accept it so that development and confrontation can happen.
Tolerance feels pretty fake to me since it involves actually yet not accepting something but silently putting up with it without expressing ones true opinion. It feels like a lie to me.
Tolerance blocks development and confrontation. Tolerance is "bearing" or even "suffering" and brings little gain for anyone.
Sometimes one has to say NO, sometimes one has to make clear how far someone can go. And sometimes someone simply has to accept something else. But everything in between... not for me.
I'm definitely not narrow minded when it comes to music. I give everything a chance and I take a lot of time to try and understand music which I do not like. I also demonstrate that lively with the event that I organize (somuna) which has a very broad bandwith when it comes to music.
Yet I have preferences and according to those preferences I chose where I want to go and what music I listen or buy. I expect to get "psychedelic music" when it is written on the box and if I don't get it I complain.
"Psychedelic" is in the eye of the beholder, maybe, yet everything is psychedelic if you see it for the first time and it is also psychedelic if you hit your head against a wall for hours, walk or dance for more than 10 hours, listen to insanely loud music (no matter what kind of) for hours or sit on a board of nails. But this is the cheapest possible "psychedelic" I know and this is what I got from boom this year most of the time.
So much for starters.
Anyway, I have done a visual review for Boom Festival.
As for the music I'd like to add, that I totally missed all "experimental" (dub step etc. ) sets at groovy beach. Maybe they were cool. However, since Groovy Beach was audible all over camping we didn't really miss the fact that mostly it played techno.
And I say "techno" for minimal, house, elektro etc. and also for the minimal, tech-house that pretends to be "progressive psy" but actually isn't..
Furthermore I was never up from midnight to 8am, so I don't know how the music was then. I'm more a day guy
(sorry the bad filming, big respect for master marga. very nicely done and I love what you put in "scene")
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Bottom line: I think psytrance scene needs to show more "edge" and it's good when people complain and show some spine. The scene hasn't been "sustainable". Bigger part of "members" is exchange every 4 years. Only "actives" stay. Ever wondered why? It needs some change and it's good to declare what "we" want and what we don't want. You can't always make everybody happy, you can't always let everyone and everything in. It's legitimate to say STOP any now and then. It helps everybody and has nothing to do with "narrow minded" or "intolerant". It's "intolerant" not to tolerate when others express their opinion. And this is another reason why "tolerance" isn't worth anything. Blaming other for intolerance is always an intolerant act by itself. pfff. useless.
By the way, colin, I was very impressed by your set.
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Posted : Sep 4, 2010 21:44
colin, while i agree and accept most of what you wrote, i must say that this year's boom in complete contrast to 2008 in terms of flow of the lineup and the structure of the lineup itself (from a timeslot point of view) was very disappointing - i still haven't got one answer as to why all the oldschool artists (put mwnn aside) opened each night, when they had very little crowd to play infront of, plus (with the exception of sandman who perfectly fit his slot) would have been much more appropriate for the morning. to me it felt like they were forced into playing a night set and thats what made them sound not as good as they could and should have been...
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On 2010-09-04 21:32, subconsciousmind wrote:
It was my second boom.
It's an old thing that if people don't like something or critizise something they are blamed for being intolerant or narrow minded. It's an easy card to pull in a discussion and a discussion killer just like "you just want to be right".
In fact I think tolerance is worth nothing anyways and should be avoided since there are much better solutions than tolerance:
Either I ACCEPT something and adapt a new world into mine or I say why I don't accept it so that development and confrontation can happen.
Tolerance feels pretty fake to me since it involves actually yet not accepting something but silently putting up with it without expressing ones true opinion. It feels like a lie to me.
Tolerance blocks development and confrontation. Tolerance is "bearing" or even "suffering" and brings little gain for anyone.
Sometimes one has to say NO, sometimes one has to make clear how far someone can go. And sometimes someone simply has to accept something else. But everything in between... not for me.
I'm definitely not narrow minded when it comes to music. I give everything a chance and I take a lot of time to try and understand music which I do not like. I also demonstrate that lively with the event that I organize (somuna) which has a very broad bandwith when it comes to music.
Yet I have preferences and according to those preferences I chose where I want to go and what music I listen or buy. I expect to get "psychedelic music" when it is written on the box and if I don't get it I complain.
"Psychedelic" is in the eye of the beholder, maybe, yet everything is psychedelic if you see it for the first time and it is also psychedelic if you hit your head against a wall for hours, walk or dance for more than 10 hours, listen to insanely loud music (no matter what kind of) for hours or sit on a board of nails. But this is the cheapest possible "psychedelic" I know and this is what I got from boom this year most of the time.
So much for starters.
Anyway, I have done a visual review for Boom Festival.
As for the music I'd like to add, that I totally missed all "experimental" (dub step etc. ) sets at groovy beach. Maybe they were cool. However, since Groovy Beach was audible all over camping we didn't really miss the fact that mostly it played techno.
And I say "techno" for minimal, house, elektro etc. and also for the minimal, tech-house that pretends to be "progressive psy" but actually isn't..
Furthermore I was never up from midnight to 8am, so I don't know how the music was then. I'm more a day guy
Bottom line: I think psytrance scene needs to show more "edge" and it's good when people complain and show some spine. The scene hasn't been "sustainable". Bigger part of "members" is exchange every 4 years. Only "actives" stay. Ever wondered why? It needs some change and it's good to declare what "we" want and what we don't want. You can't always make everybody happy, you can't always let everyone and everything in. It's legitimate to say STOP any now and then. It helps everybody and has nothing to do with "narrow minded" or "intolerant". It's "intolerant" not to tolerate when others express their opinion. And this is another reason why "tolerance" isn't worth anything. Blaming other for intolerance is always an intolerant act by itself. pfff. useless.
By the way, colin, I was very impressed by your set.
So long
Raphael
Thank you so much for the beautiful images, thoughtful words and great music to go along
I deeply respect Colin but this tolerance speech is " an easy way" to play it...as long as youre not harming, offending or disturbing your opinions are always welcomed...i didnt see any tomatoes flying just a lot of people standing and not dancing!!!
i fkn laugh my pants off reading to this reviews....needless to say...you are so worried about this minimal or trance posse,that i can bet you forgot to enjoy the festival as itself......i almost repent now to cease my vacations from isratrance.....what a bunch of kings of knowledge......
to Freakulizer:if you knew already A GUY CALLED GERALD,why did you referred to him as "a guy named gerald"?why you didn´t ask first who was playing before and after you?this shows how new artists are mainly worried about measuring their dilimdilins......than to worry about to make a flow to the entire party/celebration.why did you felt scared on the trip to Utopia?i made an effort to be a touristic guide,but perhaps my lack of teeth made you think we were pirates who were about to kidnapp you in the middle of the mountain?LOL(just kidding bro)
to OOOD :great intervention about being free and openminded to create your own psychedelia whatever the sound is.
to Maux and Margherita :needless to say : i fucking love you.
this festival was really nice if you choose to focus on YOUR positive look at things.....
i really find strange when Khainz live started,that at the first seconds of his music(just beats and hi hats)he danced like there was no tomorrow(i take speed sometimes and i never felt like that)and the music was absolutely generic and BORING.
high lights were(for me,the dumb of dance scene)
EAT STATIC
SYSTEM 7
JAMES MONRO
OOOD
SLATER
ITAL
MWNN
GREEN NUNS
DICK TREVOR
TREAVOR WALTON
LIQUID ROSS
CLOUDCYCLE
MAUXUAM
MASTER MARGHERITA(if you call my hat an one euro hat,i make you swallow presunto listening to lady gaga)
DJ YUMI
ROBERT RICH
MAKYO
DARREN SANGITA
DJ HIGH
GAMELOTRON(NO FKN DJS HERE)
thumbs for DJ GABI(me ,not the histerical lady)for playing at 43 degrees
DJ ODER(revelation that´s moving england,and happens to be my neighbour,and happens to have played before khainz)
ALEX R
A GUY CALLED GERALD(of course he didn´t play what your programmed muscletechno expectations hoped for)
i can´t remember the rest because part of my brain is shocked by the amount of ridicoularities that i´ve been reading the last days about We don´t want minimal we just want faster harder and now(for this you have the barrios of your neighbourhood filled with cocain)
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