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blatantly faking their "live set"
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robomarket
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 22:21
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When you hear a tweaked and reworked version of the tracks that you know
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konflux
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 23:02
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Well, this can be done in the studio prior to a performance, and then just played the same way. It will sound different to those who know the original tracks, but it's in no way a guarantee that this is "live".
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On 2008-12-12 22:21, robomarket wrote:
When you hear a tweaked and reworked version of the tracks that you know
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krisamadhi
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 23:19
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Ascension
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 23:50
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On 2008-12-12 23:19, krisamadhi wrote:
Ya I think next year at our festival Dj's have to use cd's, no laptops at all. Live sets have to have at least 4 outputs and be using one synth, and we will be checking the mixer readings!!
or we will get swamp booger on your ass!!!
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e57/krisamadhi/main-1.jpg
And NO written down set list either with times and pitch, that shit is fucking lame!
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I'm gonna start making people beat box their sets so I know it's all live.
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Dec 13, 2008 00:00
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On 2008-12-12 23:19, krisamadhi wrote:
Ya I think next year at our festival Dj's have to use cd's, no laptops at all.
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hmm.. I'm about to go all digital with DJDecks software, laptop, and a controller, cuz CDs are starting to tire me out.
Of course you can buy high quality digital files for pretty much all techno, breaks, dubstep, house, etc that's out there. But if your psytrance is all digital, that still means you're pirating everything, huh? Talk about being stuck in the past. 
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jds
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Posted : Dec 13, 2008 00:25
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Cool topic. I like to think everyone around here has a pretty good idea of what constitutes a totally fake 'live' set.
But, just for fun, when you really start to think about trying to define what's truly live electronic music... it gets pretty subjective. For instance, is there really that much difference between someone putting their tracks that they produced on cds and mixing them vs. someone pulling out the hardware or software that they used to create that music, load up the finished tracks and just mix them? Any 'live' electronic performance can be 'faked' regardless of the equipment you perform on.
I seem to remember seeing Richie doing early Plastikman stuff back in the day on nothing but a couple 303s and 909s. That was about as live as I've ever seen. Actually the techno side of the rave scene back then had a lot of great Live PA practitioners. That was fun, when it was all about trying to experiment as much as possible and create a totally unique experience for everyone (performer included), instead of just trying to get that 'live' tag next to your name on the bill so you bank more.
But even that, like I implied earlier, how live is it if you're loading up your pre-composed beats and sequences? Sure you may be 'on the fly' arranging and re-arranging them but how different is that really from mixing CDs? Sure there's the extra granularity of control over the elements, but where exactly do you draw the line and say: "ok, now that's live"? We've all heard people do some pretty amazing re-mixing with just cds and a mixer.
Anyway, cool topic. No real answer, but a fun tail to chase.  |
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bastardsamadhi
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Posted : Dec 13, 2008 00:37
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re: ableton DJing
I just don't like the sound of "moving the beat marker in realtime to adjust phase variation between two tracks."
nor do i like the sound of "the beat markers have been set and whatever phase variation is left remains static or drifts only according to error in beatmarker placement."
drifting sounds good, assuming you are drifting into the right groove.
i like that ableton 7 added a master pitch bender, but if it had individual pitch bend per audio file, things would be set for it to sound pleasingly like cd decks 
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FaceHead
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Posted : Dec 13, 2008 01:38
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...you had to say it...people dont tempt him trying to test fate with swamp booger is like trying to poke a hungry dinosaur with a hotdog on a stick...duct taped to a sheeps leg...wrapped in bacon.
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bastardsamadhi
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Posted : Dec 13, 2008 02:44
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konvndrvm
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Posted : Dec 13, 2008 05:33
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no rly...
wtf is that
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kameleonpangea36
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Posted : Dec 13, 2008 06:42
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mubali
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Posted : Dec 13, 2008 11:46
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If you know your music and practice frequently, then there will be no need for a set list.
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Hidroponik
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Posted : Dec 13, 2008 21:32
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i'm not a fan of pre-determined set lists either for many reasons. One of them being that if your pre-determined set isn't moving the dancefloor, you have to be able to adapt to the crowd and pick some better music or something more appropriate for your dancefloor's tastes.
For me personally, my last 12 years behind the decks i've always determined which song I want to start with, and that's about as far ahead as I plan my shows. The rest of the tunes I choose is based on the key of the track, bassline style and sound, and even considering energy flow by pulling in intense tunes followed by some minimal stuff to give people a chance to catch their breath between crazy songs.
But, if after my first couple tunes the dancefloor isn't moving, its time to try different styles until you see some nuttiness. This is where Mubali's comment comes to play, you have to know your music really well, pickin stuff at random doesn't really hold water either.
This is very hard to do if your set list is locked in stone. I feel that the dj should cater to the crowd, not what they think sounds good in their bedroom because your audience changes from gig to gig and tastes vary.
to see somebody that i've been monitoring lately as a live set mentor (besides mubali!) is Tom Cosm from New Zealand. This guy has some killer tutorials on youtube and his own website about pulling off completely unique live sets each time he hits the stage. http://www.cosm.co.nz/
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mubali
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 08:16
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He's my live set mentor too!!!! but I need more gadgets to do cool stuff with.
As far as live acts go, there are a few acts I've seen over the years that tried to do some really live stuff. More often than not, the live set didn't flow nearly as well as the tracks do... but I also am firmly convinced that trying to recreate complex arrangements on the fly is incredibly difficult to do by yourself. The thing is, I don't think anyone expects you to do everything on the fly, but if you don't do ANYTHING at all or worse, pretend to do something, that's much worse...
When I was in Israel, someone told me that my released material was much better than my live set and that I should have just done a push play set instead of trying to actually do something a bit more than just bobbing....
Honestly, when I go to see an act, it's to hear their music not really to see how many buttons they press while it's playing... Yes it's nice to add that type of showmanship to a performance, but for me I'd almost rather not even being able to be seen when I'm playing, not because I want to do nothing, but more that I am not supposed to be the center of your attention. The music is way more important than the person playing it. You've got psychedelic art all around you, wonderful people, closed eye visuals and incredibly loud music.... why the hell would you wanna be looking at me? Half the reason why I got the wrestling mask was because everyone was always staring at me, and even when I was fully triggering a whole bunch of stuff, the crowd wouldn't react any differently, so I figured I'd give them something to look at. I shouldn't have to say this, but this isn't Rock and Roll.... leave the stage to the actors and the pop wannabes... let's just play good music cause in the end, that's why you flew that artist out.
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mubali
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 08:18
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On 2008-12-12 23:19, krisamadhi wrote:
And NO written down set list either with times and pitch, that shit is fucking lame!
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Next you'll say you'll check cd cases to make sure bpm and bassline key aren't written it either...
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