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Posted : Mar 19, 2012 23:49
Orange: there is a world of difference between playing an instrument and engineering a song, or a hemisphere of your brain in difference anyway. - I was talking about the arrangement and the compositional elements. I'm new to writing dance bass and the way beats work in rock music is completely different.
A lot of it has way too many layers, and I wasn't about to sit there polishing a turd before asking for some advice. I never said I didn't have a lot of work to do (why would I ask for help if I didn't?), these are early demos, if you don't know what that means in the context of fidelity then go away. The last thing I need when sitting down to try and learn something is to be abused for trying. You don't have to tell me a hundred times my music is shit, you don't like it, I get it. I wasn't aware of any rules about being awesome before posting a track you're working on.
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On 2012-03-19 23:47, Sound Surgeon wrote:
Useful comments were already written by other members here. So this is what I want to add to you:
1. Get back to work and learn as much as you can!
2. Please post longer loops next time you want a proper feedback. 30 seconds is nothing to give an opinion about.
3. You should work hard when you implement #1 4. Listen to lots of good music!
Best of luck,
Misha
I have forty minutes of music on soundcloud, it just changed the preview (i just wanted a link?) to the most recent track.
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Posted : Mar 19, 2012 23:55
I'm not attacking you gmabbit. I just gave my two cents. From a quick listening to your soundcloud page you need to learn how to build a proper psytrance tune. Then, learn how to make it's mix to sound better. Then adding the guitars.
You'll get there eventually if you continue working, don't worry.
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Posted : Mar 19, 2012 23:59
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I'm not attacking you gmabbit. I just gave my two cents. From a quick listening to your soundcloud page you need to learn how to build a proper psytrance tune. Then, learn how to make it's mix to sound better. Then adding the guitars.
You'll get there eventually if you continue working, don't worry.
i was talking to orange sorry. Yeah i came back to listen to the arrangement of the tracks klippel posted, and i've been looking up pads and lead tutorials - kind of hard to drag out sections without them.
Sound Surgeon
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Posted : Mar 20, 2012 00:04
I know orange for a long time. He didn't mean to attack you, maybe it came out that way. I can understand why he thought it was a joke. Personally I haven't posted any tune of mine when I was at your level of production, it is too early to put it for judgement and needs much more work.
If you post something you created you probably want a feedback. If you want a proper feedback from others - be ready to receive an opinion even if it's harsh. If you don't want an honest opinion, maybe you shouldn't post your music for others opinions and critics.
Good luck
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Posted : Mar 20, 2012 00:18
I came here expecting harsh feedback. Not only am I shit at all the parts of production that the composers here would consider all of a song, but I'm trying to do something different. I doubt anybody noticed, but musically my music is quite complex and retains a unique style while remaining diverse. There are very unusual chords, the root notes flick around, and the music chromatically leaves the scale in different ways in each section, often as a consistent dissonance, and the odd phantom harmonic.
Despite expecting harsh feedback, I was hoping for specific comments on the parts I was producing, not for non-guitarists to assume that I know nothing about the instrument I have been playing, performing with and recording for the last 13 years.
orange
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Posted : Mar 20, 2012 00:22
mate take it easy... even if i was an ass you dont want to drop on my level dont ya?
i said what i said cos you didnt really posted any tracks.. you just posted a bunch of random guitar rifs over a lousy kick and bass..
then when you receive bad comments you try to defend your music.. witch is good but not really the way to go forward!
i apologized for my misunderstood first comments.. what did you do to smooth things out?
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Posted : Mar 20, 2012 00:30
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mate take it easy... even if i was an ass you dont want to drop on my level dont ya?
i said what i said cos you didnt really posted any tracks.. you just posted a bunch of random guitar rifs over a lousy kick and bass..
then when you receive bad comments you try to defend your music.. witch is good but not really the way to go forward!
i apologized for my misunderstood first comments.. what did you do to smooth things out?
You know that criticism is about saying why you think something is good or bad, not just saying it is right? All I'm doing is attempting to be specific about what parts of the music I want help with, since from the outset it's a mess.
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Posted : Mar 20, 2012 05:32
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go away. The last thing I need when sitting down to try and learn something is to be abused for trying. You don't have to tell me a hundred times my music is shit, you don't like it, I get it.
You apologised and said you weren't trying to be rude but here you are. I have no interest in going around in circles with you.
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Posted : Mar 20, 2012 11:21
Trying to structure this one generically, rather than like a rock song.
Intro > Breakdown >Music>music>breakdown > release > outro.
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Posted : Mar 20, 2012 12:26
Sorry, I cannot give any postive comment on this. There is no element in your track that is good.
Listen to lots of trance music. It will help you understand how and what to write. This creation is way too static and almost no sounds in it.
Soundwise, it is a disaster as well, but you need to learn the build up first, good sound will come with time.
What I hear in the structure is different than you think : Kickbass loop > Kickbass+Guitar loop>Kickbass+Guitar2 loop> Kickbass+Guitar3 loop> Kickbass loop (Whew its over!).
This music is very amateur from all aspects.
You should wait some time before you repost a new song of you. Work hard and implement what you were told by others.
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Posted : Mar 20, 2012 13:10
Oh don't worry I won't be coming back ever again - I'd hate to force you to click on this thread and heaven forbid actually listen to something in progress. I wasn't aware you could actually waste other peoples time when they have a choice of whether or not they pay attention until today. For your information, the names for the sections were taken from a tutorial on trance I read today.
I've added vocal samples, still haven't worked out pads, but this is where I leave you.
Thanks for the small number of comments that were actually aimed at what I was asking for feedback on, and the rest of you thanks for nothing. Some community.
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Posted : Mar 20, 2012 13:17
hey gmabbit... you should had said: "tks for listening to my attempt of doing music!"... instead of arguing with them.
first of all, you might need a huge dose of auto-criticism... then check the posts around this forum and music level/standard that we have reached here.
after that if you still want any advice, pay a teacher, a school or whatever. here we do it for free... so pls don't complain.
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Posted : Mar 20, 2012 14:26
Hi Gmabbit , you have good ideas ,but they need a lot of practice.
Practice this is the key to raise your level up and I think all who comments here dont want say some bad thinks to you , just say you need to learn basics of this music and go forward!
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Posted : Mar 20, 2012 16:39
Jeez man,you seem to take it all wrong...
I mean,I read this thread,I've listened to your music.I see you take pride in it,when people keep telling you that technically it is far from following basic principles for getting a good polished sound.
You want critic,no?My critic is that it is not enough to learn DAW and throwing stuff inside.There are basic techniques you need to learn.No one critisizes your guitar playing,but the tracks are poorly produced in each level,that is just honest opinion,not flaming.That is what everybody tries to tell you,if you let go of your ego for second you will see noone here is your foe.
You need to learn basic tools of producing like using effects like delay ,reverb,flange.Learning automation to make the sounds more dynamic.Some synthesis,thought it is optional.
Your biggest flow in your tracks is mixing (which everyone tries to tell you but you insist of explaining your point of view which has nothing to do with critics).You need to learn badly how to mix good,how to use tools of trade (EQ,filters,stereo work,loudness).Your sounds collash with each other in horrible manners,specially in that muddy area in low mid.
Look for youtube tutorials on proper mixing .
Come on,man,I mean,you try to mix here two different styles of music,to join them you need to drag them by the hair while they kicking and pooling you.Waht you do is invite them to sit comfortably with each other and expect them not to fight.No one comments you on your guitar level,get over your ego,but everyone comments you to learn the basics of electronic music production which is clear that you have little experience in .That is all.
From all the things I lost,that sandwitch cost me most :)
