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Posted : Mar 16, 2012 13:34:52
Hello,
I am a guitarist from Australia, and I've been trying to learn about psytrance production in order to make a set that can be played alongside trance, while having live guitar all the way through.
The tracks I've made are quite rough, and rather than polish up some bad tracks I thought I'd try to find someone to listen to my music that can help me improve it. I have several musicians who are willing to lay down samples, but I think I might need to remix the whole lot to be more conventionally trance-like.
Here is my soundcloud, which has about 40mins of music on it, 130bpm or slower.
Cheers,
gmabbit
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Posted : Mar 18, 2012 04:53
it's a joke to be a musician and try to learn something about dance production? yeah ok - how about something constructive. I said it was rough. Or am I going to have the same problem as usual and find people unable to look past production values? I hear music as notes, not sounds. I have to start somewhere. Obviously we think about music differently and that's why I am asking for criticism.
The greater majority of guitarwork i have heard in trance is awfully generic. I want to work with producers and do something more interesting, be it live or recorded to put effects on. As I said, I have to start somewhere, and my shitty scratch tracks recorded on mute through line sound like shit compared to how I can really play.
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Posted : Mar 18, 2012 08:20
hey dude,
some points:
guitar is very loud, beats very low.
you should decide, is that a guitar project with some beats (which i think might not really be going anywhere) or is it psytrance with guitar which already exists.. and you could do your own take on it.
if so, bring up the beat, focus on making proper tracks with all elements, beats, bass, fx, pads whatnot, mix them, then bring up your guitar.
guitar all the way through? imho annoying in psy but prove me wrong.
furthermor, all the mistakes and wrong timings should be reduced to minimum. you have computertimed music, you hear ALL mistakes because everything else is perfectly pitched and timed.
maybe listen to some psy with guitar in it and look how they include the guitar and build up the rest.
check those tracks for psy classics with guitar use
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Posted : Mar 18, 2012 09:49
Thanks!
The guitar is just scratch tracks, way too loud, full of mistakes, and unmixed. I very much enjoy practising this set and getting it flawless. I played in psychedelic and progressive rock bands for a few years before getting into trance, and I enjoy the challenge of using rhythms you can dance to. I agree that "all the way through" sounds irritating, but for the most part it will be long developing sections with changing dynamics, so the guitar will be sparse, if there at all, or simply really quiet reggae strumming or whatever. I'll also loop sections so I can play with effects. I'm going to sample a drum kit and bass guitar fairly often to match up with the complex guitar sections. It's hard to arrange the tracks when I don't have the actual dance/trance stuff sounding right at all - I want the guitar to meld in with generic synths - it's definitely not mixed that way, but I haven't written it with the intention of the guitar being the main focus. I still want the guitar to more or less always be there, just not distractingly so. i guess im aiming for a rough garage shpongle? :S kind of metal, kind of funky. I'm more than willing to trash all my tracks and keep writing fresh ones to get the sound right. My next track will be 140-144 bpm.
I like really clear, clean sounding trance but I just haven't got the understanding to do it (yet (i hope)).
I think one of the biggest problems is the overlap in frequencies for the mostly low guitar parts with the bass. Every layer is chipping away at having a clear bass sound. I basically just tried to get out as many different melodic ideas as possible - It's hard to work with half my gear broken and im looking after a baby most of the time. Thanks for the tracks, I'm listening to them now.
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Posted : Mar 18, 2012 14:08
here's a quick 30 seconds i just made 144bpm. i haven't put an eq on the guitar yet. going to work on pads etc tomorrow.
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Posted : Mar 18, 2012 17:06
ok since this isnt a joke..
first of all you miss all the editing features your DAW is offering.. use it to synchronize your guitar parts to your music.. it all over the place.
second.. dont use that guitar in all of the track.. in psy you need to present elements in the right time.
third.. the overall production is nowhere to be found. its just sounds on top of each other making it a mess.. learn the tools first (eq, reverb, delay) then try to make a solid base for the guitar parts and rest of elements to sit in.
minus
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Posted : Mar 18, 2012 19:42
in other wordz, get to work biatch
aay chill
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Posted : Mar 18, 2012 23:06
i guess the idea of starting with a very quick track of musical sections first and then dragging them out to be several tracks that build up and develop over time is pretty foreign to you Orange. I didn't have the internet or any vsts/sample packs etc when I wrote the majority of the backing tracks, and I only recorded the guitar so I could hear it to arrange with.
The two riffs I wrote last night I'm about to sit down and milk for all they're worth, with generally sparse placement and delaying actually dropping into the tight melodic sections. I'm going to play with pads today.
orange
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Posted : Mar 19, 2012 00:49
listen mate.. if you posted a bunch of random guitar ideas over a lousy kick and bass and than come and say that this a sketch pad of what you gonna do with the asyncronised guitar parts... than what the hell of answers you would expect on a forum that is for critics and showcase of projects..
you presented with no track nor any kind of preview of a track so far..
people here present with tracks that at least some effort has being done to make them as more as real track can be.
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Posted : Mar 19, 2012 13:19
ok my intention wasnt to be rude i apologize for this...
i thought its was a joke.. but i should not have spoken like this in the beginning but you know lots of trolls around here.
anyway it has nothing to do with my ego.. there is nothing here that would make my ego inflate in anyway.. he is obviously happy about his work.. but truth is he has to know where he stands.. and he really does need to work alot.
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Posted : Mar 19, 2012 23:47
Useful comments were already written by other members here. So this is what I want to add to you:
1. Get back to work and learn as much as you can!
2. Please post longer loops next time you want a proper feedback. 30 seconds is nothing to give an opinion about.
3. You should work hard when you implement #1 4. Listen to lots of good music!
