| Author
|
BIG PROBLEMS WITH LOGIC 7
|
MARGHERITA
Master Margherita
Started Topics :
156
Posts :
1442
Posted : Nov 4, 2005 17:52
|
Just a few infos 
I dont notice any troubles whit the logic 7.1 & Maudio 410, i never moove the start point of a recorded file,,, when i record something the buffer size is @ 128 & after for the mix , @ the maximum is possible.
When you use a external pattern into a synth or drum machine, the midi sync work good only whit SMPTE & maybe a stuff call MMC (midi machine control, i use this whit AKAY MPC2000),
the midi clock sync is not good when you make a long audio import into any softs.
Try to stay @125 or max 256 when you record something.
Cheers 
  http://mastermargherita.com |
|
|
|
tomcat
Started Topics :
2
Posts :
48
Posted : Nov 4, 2005 20:45
|
Just the first beats are little bit out of sync. The rest is exact in sync. Even when i record 8-20 minutes bass line from an analog synth which is very exact in timing.
And no its nothing with the delay, the record delay is set properly. Just the 1st beat is little bit delayed. Imho its a midi problem and not a audio record problem. Happens every time when you start the first midi sequence of one track/instrument. If you have then some space between sequences and the next one starts the timing is in sync. Has imho nothing to do with audio pre recording....
Also i use 1024 buffer size cause of the powercore. |
|
|
|
tomcat
Started Topics :
2
Posts :
48
Posted : Nov 4, 2005 20:49
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-11-03 17:20, FREGLE wrote:
my god... That's just horrible!! What a bug for a midi-sequencer... it just renders the whole program useless...
But are u sure it's the program? How many external things are hanging on the one midi-interface? How much automation data and other stuff is going thru that midi-interface? i have a friend who had about the same problem, but he bought himself an 8*8 midi- interface, hung everything on it's own midi-out and since then he has no problems anymore... We don't know why, cuz theoretically his original setup shouldn't have any problems, but if ur sending lots' of automation data to multiple instruments/effects thru the same interface u seem to get problems that are very much like this problem...
|
|
This timing problem is a different one. If you have more than one synth on the same midi port and you send very tight midi notes you run into a timing problem. The notes must be send one after another (midi is serial) and this is the reason for this type of timing problems. Add some automation and you can figure out what happens on the midi cable 
Also happens when you play a synth in multi mode. This is normal. |
|
|
|
fregle
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
11
Posts :
982
Posted : Nov 4, 2005 20:51
|
|
tomcat: i have about the same problem with cubase SX2, but i just put the first measure of my song on the second bar, leave the first bar empty, and the problem is gone... Maybe this could solve ur problem in logic too? |
|
|
|
fregle
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
11
Posts :
982
Posted : Nov 4, 2005 20:52
|
|
tnx tomcat!! i didn't know that it is really fast then, cuz u really have to send lot's of data for this to happen... |
|
|
|
tomcat
Started Topics :
2
Posts :
48
Posted : Nov 4, 2005 21:51
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-11-04 20:51, FREGLE wrote:
tomcat: i have about the same problem with cubase SX2, but i just put the first measure of my song on the second bar, leave the first bar empty, and the problem is gone... Maybe this could solve ur problem in logic too?
|
|
This i tried. Unfortunately not working.
My first idea was that the synths need some time when they receive the first notes but this wasnt the case. I also tried to set ghostnotes before.
In Logic 6 the setting of the manual recording delay did not work with the motu (cause the motu driver tells logic how much delay it generates), so i had general problems with the recording delay (im using software monitoring and this makes the whole story more complicated).
On logic 7.x i can set all necessary recording & midi delays, now all my synths are recorded nice and i dont need to change the beginning of the audio recordings.
The little walk at the beginning ist not optimal but for the moment i can deal with it. And im using lot of analoge stuff so the whole creation is more organic |
|
|
|
LeGoHeAd
Started Topics :
4
Posts :
16
Posted : Nov 5, 2005 05:52
|
|
Hmm, Tomcat you certainly make me feel positive about this whole situation as you say that you do not experience this which means there must be a solution.... I have tried on 5 different systems now pc and mac with all different interfaces including RME and M-audio... a friend of mine now has tried recording 8th note pulses from a nord on logic 7 and 5.5 on a pc. He is finding that the random positioning of the audio around the beat is exactly as Im experiencing and the same for pc and mac. This now makes me think that its not worth worrying about as i have alway been happy with what ive heard in the past...Im also sure that if this was not happening then it would surely sound slightly better though.. Tomcat are you using the motu's internal wordclock as an audio sync for logic...? If this is the case than this is the only real obvious variable in these setups that looks like it makes a difference....?If not then what is going on? I will even post a snapshot of the wave recording for you to see for yourself what happens.... |
|
|
|
THE MONKEE
Started Topics :
8
Posts :
33
Posted : Nov 5, 2005 16:44
|
|
does the "time and picth machine" function work well in logic 7?i wonder if there`s a corellation between the two?
Why is chopsticks one of the easiest songs to play on the piano, but the hardest thing to eat with? |
|
|
|
tomcat
Started Topics :
2
Posts :
48
Posted : Dec 1, 2005 18:38
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-11-05 05:52, LeGoHeAd wrote:
Tomcat are you using the motu's internal wordclock as an audio sync for logic...? If this is the case than this is the only real obvious variable in these setups that looks like it makes a difference....?If not then what is going on? I will even post a snapshot of the wave recording for you to see for yourself what happens....
|
|
As far i remember i tried both.
Btw. You mentioned that this problem was discussed in the LUG forum. Didnt find any diskussion, just two posts which are not very exact. Where did you find these posts? I like to crosscheck it with some other guys using hw synths & logic. |
|
|
|
