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BIG PROBLEMS WITH LOGIC 7
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LeGoHeAd
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 16:54
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Im finding that audio recorded from an external synth is inconsistently wavering in and out of time by a few milliseconds. Every time I have recorded a synth line in the past i have opened the sample editor, zoomed in on the start of the sample and adjusted the start point as this goes without saying if your music requires ultra tightness. Now I find that when I fix the start of the recorded audio file, the rest of the audio that falls on other beats is slightly inconsistently out of time. WTF?? To test this just record a series of quantized pulses for about 5 or six bars from an external synth. If u zoom in and fix the start point of the first pulse the rest should follow suit but ive just noticed that this is not the case. I cannot continue until I fix this problem and I know others who are experiencing the same thing. The apple forum reports an inconsistency when using the "ALL" function with plugin delay comp but i have tried this and it does not work. Anyhow they are referring to a consistent latency, not one that wavers. I am using 7.1 and this certainly was not the case before version 7... Please help |
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fregle
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 17:20
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my god... That's just horrible!! What a bug for a midi-sequencer... it just renders the whole program useless...
But are u sure it's the program? How many external things are hanging on the one midi-interface? How much automation data and other stuff is going thru that midi-interface? i have a friend who had about the same problem, but he bought himself an 8*8 midi- interface, hung everything on it's own midi-out and since then he has no problems anymore... We don't know why, cuz theoretically his original setup shouldn't have any problems, but if ur sending lots' of automation data to multiple instruments/effects thru the same interface u seem to get problems that are very much like this problem... |
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LeGoHeAd
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 17:28
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I am using an RME fireface and an emagic AMT8 midi interface. This problem occurs with either the midi out on the fireface or any one from the AMT8. Can anyone else using version 7 please try this and let me know the results. |
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PsYx
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 17:36
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PsYx
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 17:42
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“Record Delay” parameter > Audio Hardware & Driver preferences.
Set this to compensate for the record delay you measured (ie a measured record delay of +128 samples will require a setting of -128 samples). Measure again after setting this just to check you got it right. |
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LeGoHeAd
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 17:44
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Thanks but these articles refer to a consistent latency that can be compensated for by adjusting the start point of the recorded audio. This has always been the case and always will with Logic and Cubase. I am getting a recording that is slightly out by different amounts every few beats. This is probably something to do with the midi timing... It look like this could be a bug but i cant believe ive only just noticed. If it is then this is serious |
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 18:19
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LeGoHeAd
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 18:36
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It does this with only one channel of external midi. I will be happy if i find somebody with logic 7 who doesn't have this problem as it will mean I have some setup issues.. |
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High Pulse
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 19:03
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simply because of "delay"
but when u records a midi trigered to a sinth Audio , to rek the audio to a channel audio , u need to select the area u want to rek , but when u select it (if the delay still making the same thing) select a bif before the part u want to rek and had a bit more of timme on the end as well , so now when u rek your audio , after u made the "rec bounce"
chek the file , now the file start without sound jjust after one secoind the sound start , then u just needd to fit the audio with the rest of the mmusic , and u have everything without loosing a bit !!
its a weird explanation , write me a PM we can find a way of y explain u this
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tomcat
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 22:13
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Same effect here. Very minimal but you can see it in the sample editor. After the 1st beat its in sync normally. Its so minimal that i didnt care till now.
Using pb17/logic 7.x/3xamt8/motu 828 here...
Im back in the studio next week, so we can verify it better then. PM me if you like.
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LeGoHeAd
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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 08:08
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Just also found that if you record the metronome straight out of your soundcard and back in again the recorded file is also skew wiff. Im thinking that this could maybe be a fireface issue but Im yeto test it with another s/card. |
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PsYx
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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 12:27
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LeGoHeAd
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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 13:57
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OMG!! I cannot believe this.. After looking on other forums it comes to light that Logic has been doing this since version 7.0. People are saying that they moved to other software because of it WTFFFF??? How can this be I do not understand?? So basically Logic doesnt record audio properly anymore, it just decides randomly how in and out of time every bit of recorded audio is. Its like buying a car that randomly decides which way to turn when it likes. Im gonna go and blow up the Apple headquarters I think. First they steal our software, then make us buy their stupidly expensive computers, then they decided to make the program not record audio properly. Get this too, u cant load up a logic 7 track in logic 6 either so even if u were to try and save ur tracks u cant even load em up in previous versions. Fuck this |
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LeGoHeAd
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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 14:32
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On 2005-11-03 22:13, tomcat wrote:
Same effect here. Very minimal but you can see it in the sample editor. After the 1st beat its in sync normally. Its so minimal that i didnt care till now.
Using pb17/logic 7.x/3xamt8/motu 828 here...
Im back in the studio next week, so we can verify it better then. PM me if you like.
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Well I mean whats the point in even making sure ur audio starts in exactly the right place if it just drifts out when it likes. U will find Tomcat that this is NOT just at the start of your audio file but all the way through it. I mean they claim the big feature of V.7.1. is plugin delay compensation on bus sends but what is the point of that if everything is out of time anyway??? This is like a bad dream or something. Something needs to be done. U know I think its only people like psy producers who CARE that their music is TIGHT and exactly where its meant to be that even care or notice. Who else here is using Logic Crap V.7.??? |
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LeGoHeAd
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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 14:43
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OK can the person who has been selling drugs to the Logic programmers please let me have some coz they must be very good... |
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