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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Nov 5, 2009 17:55:27
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Hello friends ..
Well , I decide (With myself) That for ones i want to produce 2-3 powerful fullon tracks .
Now .. My problem is that i dont know how to do it (Many artists that working on dark or classical or techtrance will maybe understand me and my feeling - Its a realy frustrate) . Its not a problem to build the basic of this kind of track My prob is with
the 'Nitschonot' Yea , This 'Arsim' music leads that i dont know how to play on in my keyboard .
I want to refresh myself , Try this fullon style but some how i cant connect (Damaged mind) to .
My question is how i can go against me and learn this . This is not must be a hard work i think .
Someone can alter my mind .. ?
Thx ! . Yoko .
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 5, 2009 18:37
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Hmm maybe you don't have to play the lead melodies on the keyboard. Try making the rhythm and the melody of your lead separately: first enter a groovy rhythm that your lead sound is good with, using the pencil tool in the key editor (if you use Cubase)... only enter one pitch using the mouse. Then turn step-time & MIDI input on, select the first note of your rhythm, then play the notes you want your lead riff to play - the notes you entered should change to the ones you're playing without changing their rhythm. Then just listen and tweak until it sounds good to you 
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Suloo
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Posted : Nov 5, 2009 19:27
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listen to fullon music you like, try to recreate one to get the feeling maybe..
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orgytime
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Posted : Nov 5, 2009 19:27
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well, i remember when i was like:
"ok, i hear this house tracks, easy... little sidechaining and im done fast."
things gone wrong^^
what i wanted to say, no art is easy... thats why its an art.
cheers
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Nov 5, 2009 19:30
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Thx Colin for taking the time to read and answer , But no this is not what im trying to express , Im talking about the inspiration , The all process of how to produce that not what im talking about in here , I produce music 12 years on cubase .
Thank you again .
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Nov 5, 2009 19:38
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Zork .. The prob is that i cant listen to fullon at all (I hate this style from the base) but at the same time i want to produce her , This is an conflict , I know , But deep inside of me this is somthing i want to do .
10Q .
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 5, 2009 19:46
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On 2009-11-05 19:30, Cardinals Cartel wrote:
Thx Colin for taking the time to read and answer , But no this is not what im trying to express , Im talking about the inspiration , The all process of how to produce that not what im talking about in here , I produce music 12 years on cubase .
Thank you again .
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It can be pretty inspiring sometimes to make a melody without hearing it first (ie. by making the rhythm first, then giving each note a pitch from the scale you're working in - almost at random. We used to do it a lot this way back in the 90s; some really unusual things can come out of it that you would not have planned for.
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aciduss
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Posted : Nov 5, 2009 20:15
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Man fullon is easy... just copy any of the 90% of israel act's recipe... select a cheesy chord progression and create 4 bar evolving melody arpeggio automat cutoff and take it to high speed buildup with lots of machinegunery kick retriger.
The rest is just a mix of abusing of Vengeance synth shots and rendering part of your melodies and chords for those initial and ending progressions.
Lots of airy pads and voices for bridges, also dont forget to glitch every fill/break at bar 16.
Well it is not that easy but is not that hard either... |
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Nov 5, 2009 20:24
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Maybe Dark House . It can be lovely ..
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 5, 2009 20:30
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On 2009-11-05 19:38, Cardinals Cartel wrote:
Zork .. The prob is that i cant listen to fullon at all (I hate this style from the base) but at the same time i want to produce her , This is an conflict , I know , But deep inside of me this is somthing i want to do .
10Q .
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maybe try to make a track with all the cheesy cliché ,might be fun to produce, make the cheesiest track ever haha i doubt you can beat electro sun |
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dj chichke
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Posted : Nov 6, 2009 14:24
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On 2009-11-05 20:15, aciduss wrote:
Man fullon is easy... just copy any of the 90% of israel act's recipe... select a cheesy chord progression and create 4 bar evolving melody arpeggio automat cutoff and take it to high speed buildup with lots of machinegunery kick retriger.
The rest is just a mix of abusing of Vengeance synth shots and rendering part of your melodies and chords for those initial and ending progressions.
Lots of airy pads and voices for bridges, also dont forget to glitch every fill/break at bar 16.
Well it is not that easy but is not that hard either...
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listen to him! anyaway i think 8 bars melody is the key! and you don't have to use arpeigio. just choose chords progression and play melody that the notes go on the chords. if you want to be a bit more sophisticated so sometimes play notes not from the chord but not too much because it will make the melody not cheesy! also use sometimes high octaves at the bassline and make the bassline to change notes with chord progression you chose.i know these things happen not just in fullon or trance, but it's happens more in fullon than in dark. |
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makus
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Posted : Nov 6, 2009 15:41
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maybe its a bit offtopic, but my advice can still be helpful. imo, listening to the same stuff as you want to make is last thing i would recommend to do, if you want to make something cool and unique. it works but it doesn't necessary bring good results.
while i was making my night psy album i tried not to listen similar music. i tried to concentrate on my own idea of what night psy music should be. i tried to be similar to other artists without actually listening to them. from this practice i've learned that listening to a psychedelic tune, imagining psytrance in one's head and trying to create what's on your mind - these are 3 different stories, each of which is absolutely has all right to live and develop. the only thing which is not good is copying, but you all know that
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Nov 7, 2009 23:06
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On 2009-11-06 15:41, makus wrote:
maybe its a bit offtopic
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No No .. This is the the topic .
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On 2009-11-06 15:41, makus wrote:
imo, listening to the same stuff as you want to make is last thing i would recommend to do, if you want to make something cool and unique. it works but it doesn't necessary bring good results.
while i was making my night psy album i tried not to listen similar music. i tried to concentrate on my own idea of what night psy music should be. i tried to be similar to other artists without actually listening to them. from this practice i've learned that listening to a psychedelic tune, imagining psytrance in one's head and trying to create what's on your mind - these are 3 different stories, each of which is absolutely has all right to live and develop. the only thing which is not good is copying, but you all know that
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True .. And you dont know how much you right . Super theory .
Yes .. I want to be/stay unique , Theres no point to be sound like others , I want my own deep powerful highspeed fullon without any connection to the average and what other do .
And from that point (I think) the all process start to be look much more easy ..
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makus
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Posted : Nov 9, 2009 11:08
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that's it (c) michael jackson 
you ended up on the same place where i did - realizing that making own music with your own rules is much more fun.
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Nov 9, 2009 16:51
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"Hear" it in your mind and let be come true ..
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