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dma
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Posted : Sep 20, 2005 09:23
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when listening to established artist the always seems to be this very 3d like stereo feild,the sound fills between the speakers very well,almost like a big half buble that sits infront of youre monitors and all the sound;s kinda bulge out into it...
i know how to use stereo effects and such,dont get me wrong,but a reased track seems to have quite alot of depth compared to a track not mastered,sooo what im wondering is if anyone nows where along the process chain that this occurs???
is there anyone that has released here that has noticed big changes after youre track has been profesionaly mastered??
does anyone use mono sounds amongst youre stereo ones,or have any technique's to get a bigger stereo feild?
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Posted : Sep 20, 2005 11:05
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I definitely use mono sounds in a tune. It sounds solid and helps separating sounds in a mix.
Other than that, I do use stereo imaging plugs from time to time, but they change the sound in a -ve way and if you "monofy" the mix, whatever sound you are using the stereo imager on, gets lost. Maybe I am using the wrong plugs.
Anyway the best results I get from simply recording my synth pathches (that use more than one VCO, otherwise I get phasing effects that cancel out the sound out) twice and simply pan the parts hard left and right. It sounds fantastic, I get double the VCOs and when I mono the mix the leads are still there.
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sy000321
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Posted : Sep 20, 2005 16:22
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fingax posted here some time ago that he too panned two copys of a part hard left and right
i think it works because of the panning laws employed in the vst hosts, so you may get similar results just by changing the panning laws
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Posted : Sep 20, 2005 17:09
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On 2005-09-20 09:23, dma wrote:
when listening to established artist the always seems to be this very 3d like stereo feild,the sound fills between the speakers very well,almost like a big half buble that sits infront of youre monitors and all the sound;s kinda bulge out into it...
i know how to use stereo effects and such,dont get me wrong,but a reased track seems to have quite alot of depth compared to a track not mastered,sooo what im wondering is if anyone nows where along the process chain that this occurs???
is there anyone that has released here that has noticed big changes after youre track has been profesionaly mastered??
does anyone use mono sounds amongst youre stereo ones,or have any technique's to get a bigger stereo feild?
thanx fo comments
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it is always a question of mixing, you cannot correct stereo width with mastering as good as you can in the mixing stage.
you can position your sound in three dimensions - width (by using panning), distance (by using delay/reverb) and height (by using eq), so you should use all of them to fill the space with sounds. you must have a good combination of wide and narrow sounds, and then the mix is full and juicy - not everything can be wide.
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fregle
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Posted : Sep 20, 2005 17:58
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a good stereo reverb will always give lot's of width and depth in the mix. the rest has already been said...
don't be afraid to put some of the less important sounds on the far right or far left. |
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bandarlog
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Posted : Sep 20, 2005 20:26
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Also consider using 2 samples of 1 sound and putting them thru (slightly) different efxchannels, 1 left 1 right and you got a wide and varied stereofield. Nice tool to use to enhance stereo difference is antares filter. This thing has got 4 filters which can be assigned to left and right in percentages
For example: 1 low-mids bandpass to the right (30% or so) 1 mid BP filter to the left, both with lowered levels and one thru signal in the middle. |
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UnderTow
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Posted : Sep 21, 2005 13:32
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On 2005-09-20 11:05, 14-year old e-tard wrote:
I definitely use mono sounds in a tune. It sounds solid and helps separating sounds in a mix.
Other than that, I do use stereo imaging plugs from time to time, but they change the sound in a -ve way and if you "monofy" the mix, whatever sound you are using the stereo imager on, gets lost. Maybe I am using the wrong plugs.
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Personaly, I couldn't give a flying f*ck about what happens in mono when I make psytrance so I use phase effects all over the place. The problem isn't the phase shifts or your plugins, its the sound system. 
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Sep 21, 2005 14:36
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True. But they do change the sound as well, the ones I've used anyway.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Sep 21, 2005 16:35
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Posted : Sep 22, 2005 00:07
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Colin, I keep hearing this but I've never had the mispleasure of encountering a mono sound system. So I'll just ignore them for now.  And I would be compromising on the effects I can use on stereo systems just for backwards compatibility. Naaa ... Stereo all the way.
e-tard, which ones do you use? They all change the sound to a certain degree, especially if there is processing afterwards, but it never has been so bad that it has stopped me using them.
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dma
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Posted : Sep 22, 2005 02:49
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thanx for every1's comments!!,well this all sounds very interesting,it seems from the cooment that using mono isnt a mata of technique or production tricks but more a matta of playing safe incase???im definatly gonna experiment with this as i think that there would be some definate advantedges(stereo image wise)in using mono,especially seperation all youre hats and perc etc..
ive been using wavearts panorama,wavesurround the logic stereo spreads and good old chorous to achieve my imaging wich all seem to work well,thewavearts stuff tends to change the sound some what,but sometimes works well,ohmboys is also good for chorous effect too!!
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Sep 22, 2005 10:32
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Colin, I keep hearing this but I've never had the mispleasure of encountering a mono sound system. |
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Any of your tunes get played on the radio?
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e-tard, which ones do you use? They all change the sound to a certain degree, especially if there is processing afterwards, but it never has been so bad that it has stopped me using them.
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Logic's and some Waves ones. I do use them on some things, but not on main leads that I have up front in the mix. Unless it is a single VCO patch, I tend to simply record them twice adn pan them to get a nice stereo image.
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UnderTow
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Posted : Sep 22, 2005 17:23
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e-tard, not my psytrance stuff as far as I know. I do alot of work for TV and film and that is always mono compatible. But I am talking specificaly about psytrance right now.
I use the usual panning tricks, chorus, oscilators panned left and right, double synth lines panned left and right, Sonitus Phase, PSP Stereo enhancer, Antares Filter with different filters left and right, PSP Nitro, slight nudge of one side of a stereo channel, Roland RSS stereo tricks, M/S techniques, head related transfer functions, Steinberg StereoEnhancer, CakeWalk SpectraFX, Convolution reverbs with edited impulse responses and a few plugins I wrote myself.
Anything goes really.
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