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best tools for mastering???
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San Prahjekt
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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 13:46
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I am considering having some of my tracks professionally mastered since we are releasing them on www.cytopia.org and my home mastering is good enough to play on PA but i am not a mastering engineer etc.
I found a place in Amsterdam, that will master an album with up to 10 tracks on it, with full hardware and sotfware mastering for around 300 euros = 30 euros per track, but then you cannot join the mastering session
If you wish to join the session it costs 90 euros per hour, and it depends on how long you take in the studio..... am real curious about how it will sound
Bom
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High Pulse
Darkpsy
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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 17:30
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On 2005-07-05 12:02, sy000321 wrote:
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On 2005-07-04 22:22, DarkPsy wrote:
sy000321 when i want a MASTER i take all the tracl to a studio with somebody that have full knowledge about mastering ,
one thing is mastering , one thing is making a good mix , and for a good mix eq and compresseur is more than enough.
what i wanted to say in my previous post to some ppl , is that , first learn some teoric then pass them the practice 
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you and every one who has a brain...
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so i dont know why u still insisting in this and trying to get something in advance from this thread, im not here to get right or wrong , is a honest opinion , i also try to make deent master to play in live , but i didnt started puting things on the channel and se what happen , i read and i read a lot abut first , until i get a good idea how to work everything in my musics.
and san prahjeck is a good price 300 euros for 10 track mastering since its a good master and if u have a studio that makes u a session of 90 euros per hour , so u must know allready what to do !!! to not stay there looking what im going to do , etc.. thats why READING makes ppl understanding bether all this stuff !
 "HIGH PULSE" AKA FUSION OF DARKPSY PROJECTS
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sy000321
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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 17:35
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i hope you read better than you write english... 
no one is saying you're doing anything wrong...
i don't try to master stuff myself and i reaad about mastering too
current reading: "bob katz: the art of mastering"... cool book, teaches a lot even if you're not interested in mastering...
i think you should learn theory and then practise and then learn theory and then pratice, etc, etc... when you do this about 1000 times you're a master...
joao
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 18:02
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fregle
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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 20:39
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whew, that must be some expensive mastering plugin... |
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sy000321
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Posted : Jul 6, 2005 11:38
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I think anyone who invests enough will learn.
Mastering is not a magicians trade! Todays professionals had to learn too!
If you and jonathan think everyone here is dumb apart from you two it's difficult to get a conversation going!
Many posters here are trying hard to do they're stuff right, reading materials on the net, buying books, going into courses, experimenting, getting educated about this stuff.
I don't believe that just by using that or those plugins and presets you'll make a competent mastering because it takes much more than that: knowledge, acoustics, monitoring and more than all you need a good mix to start with.
DarkPsy said: "one thing is mastering , one thing is making a good mix , and for a good mix eq and compresseur is more than enough."
That thinking it's completely wrong! If anyone here wants to master they're tracks (or even send them to the mastering studio) the first thing they must do is to get a good mix and then EQ and Compression is not enough, you also need ears, knowledge, monitoring, acoustings (very similar to mastering but certenely not the same skills).
"I just see group of ppl who apply something they don't know on something they don't know and/or advice to use exactly the same as example one."
I don't see that. I see a group of people trying to learn and trying to figure out wich are their choices.
Good learners make big mistakes, it's a part of learning, so using presets and all that shit is natural.
The faster people understand their mistakes the faster the learn too. That's why experimenting is such an important task when learning.
joao
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High Pulse
Darkpsy
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Posted : Jul 6, 2005 13:39
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u are making a wrong point of view joao , im not saying here anybodys dumb , for the contrair i like i lot seeing many ppl geting interested in this kind of stuff its a good first step allready in this busyness/hobbie.
about good mix , all my new track and ppl have been hearing them and they have been saying great mix's and very good quality , and mate i dont have shits isolating my roo, , i make music in the same place i sleep , my own room , i only have macs , external gear , monitors and software and sound card , and the keyboard .
and u now at the end of your post u said exactly what i try to told to anybody in here (maybe some didn't understand ) is that playing around with the things is ok , to see a bit what things can do , but for then using it on music to get a real job , is needed a lot to learn read, or get a curse , or if u have a friend that have very good knowledge on music engineering , cool bether
but i say this again , ppl should spend more time on the books , that thing of only beeing trying presets and changing values without knowing what each knob, slide or button do, its nothing !!!
is just simple like this
just a opinion of how i see things
(and by the way , when i write to fast and in a keyboard that is from outher country , its normal that some words are not very well spelled , but maybe , u were trying to tease a bit ,
get a job joao , don't be kid with this kind of "picardias" ""i hope you read better than you write english...""
"HIGH PULSE" AKA FUSION OF DARKPSY PROJECTS
http://www.myspace.com/highpulsemusic
http://www.beatbiz.net/artists/High-Pulse <- musiC FOR SELL. |
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sy000321
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Posted : Jul 6, 2005 13:50
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heheeheh... i've already got a job (that's from where i'm typing)... and i'm older than thou!
"i dont have shits isolating my roo, , i make music in the same place i sleep , my own room , i only have macs , external gear , monitors and software and sound card , and the keyboard ."
same setup, except for the macs and midi keyb.
"but i say this again , ppl should spend more time on the books , that only beeing trying presets and changing values without knowing what each knob, slide or button do !!!"
yeah... agree... i thnk i was saying that too...
yes i was joking you around, i also make mistakes when i type in Portuguese or English... but i still don't understand how people with so little english knowledge can read engeneering books... or do you just look at pictures in ads and books?
and just for that matter i never said that you're mixes/tracks are bad, ok? And i love Almada (lololol )
And don't take it personal... sometimes i get the idea you get pissed because you dont understand my posts (english) or read too fast or may think that i'm always picking no you!
joao
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High Pulse
Darkpsy
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Posted : Jul 6, 2005 14:02
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no mate i understand them all , maybe we have different point of view directed maybe to the same opinion . hey mate who have so little english knowledge , get the same books in they own language is that simple , or if they dont have it , they ask somebody to make a double in they'r own language. my nord lead 2 rack maanual was in german , i asked to a store that make this kind of jobs to translate it , they made it and i payed 35 euros for it , everything can be done if ppl want , and dont tell me that ppl dont have money to paay 35 euros to make maybe this translation, because if they say this i tell them this( dont go to parties , to not buy things to smoke , cut in outher things , and u will see that u might get the things u need
at least it worked fine with me , it was hard , but its worting now.
and for sure when i read something , i still read until i understand it all , or at least the essential to go forward . only seeing the pictures is the same as seeing the plugin in front of u , what matter is what is wrote on all does pages plenty of instruction and teory
"HIGH PULSE" AKA FUSION OF DARKPSY PROJECTS
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sy000321
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Posted : Jul 6, 2005 14:22
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people come here asking for help and they mostly want to sound "psytrance" and they know SOS and PC Musician dont target psy (in fact they spend too much time with things like mic amps that aren't 100% needed for us...)
instead of help they get bashing by people who forget they once were in the same position as those people are now.
and mostly they also forget that they got were they got not because they know it all or that they are genius but because they had friends to help (it helps much more to have someone to help you through your problems than to read the answers in a magazine).
that's why i get pissed! We should help those that know less and make an effort to teach what we can to those that want to learn... give some back to the comunnity wich has given so much to us
joao
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Darkpsy
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Posted : Jul 6, 2005 14:29
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and we are joao , and we are helping , man u can see here i have posted many things in 3 years i use isratrance not only with darkpsy nick but as well as analog xperience nick , and im helping more now saying this thaat giving them everything " de maos dadas" what u think ? i have everybody around me tell me everything LOL i wishh it , but i didnt have this chance , suria was the only guy who ever teach whatever it was , and he know how to teach , is the one who told me to read , and after i read , i understand it bether , but since i allready know now how it work a bit , suria give me tips before , because i saw this guy is not here to get everything done , is making a effort to understand it . and i tell u this man , this was the best thing somebody could made for me ,
because i was like this mayhbe in the beggining , and i asure u that , there was nobody like there is today
so i dont know for how long u make music , but when i started , i hadn't nobody !!
think on this!
"HIGH PULSE" AKA FUSION OF DARKPSY PROJECTS
http://www.myspace.com/highpulsemusic
http://www.beatbiz.net/artists/High-Pulse <- musiC FOR SELL. |
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