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mukti777
Mukti
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Posted : May 22, 2009 17:56
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In regards to your post, Alexander....
Yeah, Paradigm is def. on it! Stating my feelings regarding Mtn. Vision is more of a personal expression of sorrow of seeing friends move away, but all the while supporting them on their journey...with a little peer pressure selfishly applied to keep 'em around  But I DO think they have done great things here!! Their vibe is thick!!
Full respect to Paradigm, for sure! One of these days i'll make it to one of your events....though the truth of the matter is, being a full-time dad, I can really only justify going to events i'm directly involved with anymore...but every now and then I get to sneak away...
wow...a bit off topic, though, lol!
  "Any act, if in accordance with the Will, is an act of Magick."
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Alexander
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Posted : May 22, 2009 18:22
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On 2009-05-22 09:11, Alexander wrote:
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umm, Alex, you do deserve credit, and i def. agree with the organizational part of it, but let's not make this into a pissing contest. You've thrown some decent events over the last two years, but they are still small and have ways to go before becoming festivals.
it's still a very small scene just like it was 2-3 years ago when we'd get 100-200 people at our warehouse parties. these days the free donation-based family events bring out a whole different crowd are just as vital as the more commercial events you've been putting on. it's the free events that built the scene here over the years, so let's not trash them quite yet.
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Come on now, brother. I sit quietly on this site and watch everyone jerk each other off over these events with 50 people at them, and sometimes even half-assed organization. I watch as credit is thrown around even to people who don't organize events anymore. "Commercial events??"
Brother, you haven't even made it to ANY of our open airs yet, and the 200-300 people we consistently put at these go far beyond the commercial idea you speak.
I don't ever expect more than 300-500 at these, even a few years down the line, but that's always been the goal.
This is most certainly NOT a pissing contest. but after reading what everyone else is "doing" on this cliquey little board, I feel the need to finally stand up and say a few things so that others aren't getting the wrong idea about who's really doing what around these parts.
Years ago I asked even you folks at Onetribe if you wanted to be a part of what I was lining up, and the only person who stepped up and answered was Schmid. As you can see, this is why he plays all of our shows and has become a good friend. No one else wanted to get on board my vision, and as a result I have gone the course and stayed true to what I planned long ago.
The events we do still have all the same people that go to the free ones....most of the same people realize, Dimitry, that in order to throw a proper event with headliners from other countries, as well as lighting, lasers, visuals/visual art, etc...this shit costs MONEY.
Donation based events only go so far, and if the next level is to be reached, then charging a wee bit of cash to make back what we need to continue pushing forward has to be done.
No one said anything about actually organizing a true 1000 person or more festival, but our gatherings have that vibe, production level and most certainly the audio to compete with anyone on that level.
And also, much more time has gone by than just 2 yrs, my friend, you just haven't been paying attention.
Just the last 2 yrs alone have been 7 events, 5 of which were open air shows, my original goal executed.
The "smallness" is where it's at anyway, no more than 500, that is my current limit. These shows are still larger than ANYTHING anyone else is organizing within the same niche, and hold a true Psychedelic vibe from start to finish.
Those free events of which you speak building the scene over the years, those same events are also what helped slow the scene down and fizzle out. To do shit proper, ya gots to spend a lil cash to create the proper magic, especially if one is to keep it all fresh and exciting.
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Alexander
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Posted : May 22, 2009 18:36
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On 2009-05-22 17:56, mukti777 wrote:
In regards to your post, Alexander....
Yeah, Paradigm is def. on it! Stating my feelings regarding Mtn. Vision is more of a personal expression of sorrow of seeing friends move away, but all the while supporting them on their journey...with a little peer pressure selfishly applied to keep 'em around But I DO think they have done great things here!! Their vibe is thick!!
Full respect to Paradigm, for sure! One of these days i'll make it to one of your events....though the truth of the matter is, being a full-time dad, I can really only justify going to events i'm directly involved with anymore...but every now and then I get to sneak away...
wow...a bit off topic, though, lol!
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I feel ya, brother, sorry if you felt like I lashed out at you.
I can only read some of the stuff on here for so long before I feel the need to clarify a few things.
You gonna make it to 6/20?
I know the dad thing makes it difficult, even impossible, but we'd love to see ya gettin' crazy with us at least once VERY soon!
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mukti777
Mukti
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Posted : May 22, 2009 18:55
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Cheers, man!
No, won't be able too (as much as i'd love too!)...it's the weekend after G.M., and I've got a whole heap of 'honey-do's' to make up for it 
Thank you, though! Yeah, hopefully sooner than later......
Respect!
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DiMiTry
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Posted : May 22, 2009 19:10
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On 2009-05-22 18:22, Alexander wrote:
Brother, you haven't even made it to ANY of our open airs yet, and the 200-300 people we consistently put at these go far beyond the commercial idea you speak.
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I was at your event with Antix last summer, and while it was well organized with great sound and deco, it was still too small. Lots of room to grow - and grow it any way we can. We did proper monthly events for about 2 years straight with OT, with all sorts of headliners, and not for free. Eventually we just got tired of it.. it's not easy putting that kind of energy into events consistently unless they keep growing, which they don't always.
But Earthdance has been free and easy and growing every year, last year we had about 250 there, you can't say these events are bad for the scene, they're what gets people into it.
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Alexander
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Posted : May 22, 2009 21:16
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Too small looking due to the bonfire, which we did away with at the final show and had burnbarrels instead. This pushed everyone into the dancefloor so that the 250+ that were there packed inward and there was an actual "dancefloor," not people just standing around. There were over 200 at Antix, but due to the firepit the land owner got going against my call, it detracted from the dancefloor. We've done away with that, and the results were outstanding last August.
Also, we'll see about this next one on 6/20. Both smaller indoor/outdoor 21+ shows you played at this past year did over 200 people each through out the night, as told by my security at the gate with the clicker, which certainly doesn't lie. These were even 21+ and enforced that way, and the turnout is still growing consistently. I always knew 5 yrs ago when I started Paradigm that it would take several years for it all to really get going.
Define "too small." Too small for what? I see so many other people posting on this board about how life changing and amazing certain events were, then the pictures get posted and there's like, 7 people on the dancefloor, but yet everyone still goes, "oh man, those guys REALLY know how to throw a party!"
I think to myself, "what?? Have some of these people ever even been to a Trance party with over 1000 people at it, or even 3K, or 10?
I knew coming into this that as a full time promoter, Trance wasn't gonna pay the bills, and that is why I grew the company into promotion, production, pro audio, etc, so that the company is doing well no matter what, and I can continue crafting these until we do have the 500 we're looking for, and shit is running like clockwork.
Said events are good for the scene, but in order to take people to the next level of understanding as well as keep them interesting, headliners need to be brought in, and that makes things a little different when you look at your bottom line.
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Alexander
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Posted : May 22, 2009 21:24
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Oh and, SoCal is still my favorite place to party in The States.
Green Sector, Psytribe, and Moontribe...you all have had some serious influence in my life...thank you and many blessings.
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DiMiTry
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Posted : May 22, 2009 21:26
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On 2009-05-22 21:16, Alexander wrote:
I knew coming into this that as a full time promoter, Trance wasn't gonna pay the bills, and that is why I grew the company into promotion, production, pro audio, etc, so that the company is doing well no matter what, and I can continue crafting these until we do have the 500 we're looking for, and shit is running like clockwork.
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Yeah, that may be smart. We never had more than 300 at an event, consistently getting the same numbers for a couple of years - but there's a big jump between 250 and 500, hope you can get there - maybe bringing in other related genres for a second stage, like you did for the indoor events can also help.
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Alexander
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Posted : May 22, 2009 21:31
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On 2009-05-22 21:16, Alexander wrote:
I knew coming into this that as a full time promoter, Trance wasn't gonna pay the bills, and that is why I grew the company into promotion, production, pro audio, etc, so that the company is doing well no matter what, and I can continue crafting these until we do have the 500 we're looking for, and shit is running like clockwork.
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Yeah, that may be smart. We never had more than 300 at an event, consistently getting the same numbers for a couple of years - but there's a big jump between 250 and 500, hope you can get there - maybe bringing in other related genres for a second stage, like you did for the indoor events can also help.
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Dude totally. I already have a goal that as events start rising above 300, that's when we'll do a downtempo stage so as not to detract from the existing crowd and dancefloor.
I have that in the works depending upon how some things go this summer...
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mentalcandy
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Posted : May 23, 2009 01:13
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any place ..................... create your own shanti 
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Posted : May 24, 2009 01:47
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I like Arizona. It kinda puts us in the middle of a whole lotta good stuff. Every direction you go, there is good stuff happening.
We have New Mexico to the East.
Colorado to the North East.
Nevada to the North.
L.A. to the West.
San Diego to the South West.
Mexico to the South (although many won't dare venture there for a while unfortunately)
And we also have our own ongoings. The (psy)trance scene here in Arizona isn't very big by any means but it a few crews are definitely making strides to rebuild it. Over the last few years, a few promoters steered the EDM community straight into hardcore and happy hardcore and its been rough trying to turn heads and pull things our way. Persistence will pay off though.
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Kane
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Posted : May 25, 2009 11:37
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Probably SF or Harrisonburg, VA (I figured out at some point that this is almost exactly halfway between Asheville and Philly or NYC).
Although the scene in the midwest seems to have grown quite a bit over the last few years..
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emilybobemily
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Posted : May 25, 2009 22:03
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I'm voting the Atlanta/North Carolina area
Its a fairly short drive to everything East coast related.
The weather is AWESOME!
its cheap to live here. and I am not talking a little cheap. I am saying I have a 2 bedroom 2 bath apartment that is in a nice neighborhood and fairly new for like $550 a month cheap. We have beautiful mountains and beaches. its for shizzle bizzle. We're good people.=D
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GyPsynate
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Posted : May 26, 2009 22:13
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Wow, lets stay on topic... this is not an ego stroking thread.
I've been in Ohio and I'm just getting back to this thread now.
Thanx for everyone's in put on this, seems Asheville, Philly,and Atlanta are pretty high on the trancers list these days.
We are going to Maryland for GMSF see how we like the east coastal range.
In Ohio we got to meet a bunch of the Midwest family and I got to say that they are some really goodhearted people, little to no ego and they really know how to party hearty.
\\\"Invoking the inner dancing buddha with future frequencies from beyond\\\" ~GyPsy
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Alexander
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Posted : May 27, 2009 08:46
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Okay you're right, back to the topic.
Why are you asking what the scene is like around the US if you're not planning on moving until 2012 anyway? Isn't it a wee bit early to be planning your next location 3 yrs away based upon a current scene?
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