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jizy
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Posted : Jan 25, 2009 15:05:52
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Alright Lads, is there any rules to before and after with a chain of plugin FX? the best order to have them in? for example i have a lead panned hard left going out to a send reverb and delay unit panned right, then a send from that going to distortion panned to the left etc, is there a pacific order to do this to enable you to get a more clear less muddier sound?.
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Alex - Aural Invasion
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Posted : Jan 25, 2009 15:44
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Use your ears and do experiments  If youre on Cubase 4 or later, changing the order is very easy and simple.
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sly
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Posted : Jan 25, 2009 16:03
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feel free.
but know what each plug does and wich sound u want to achieve...
if fx's (ab)used extensively, it may be difficult to switch later without destroying everything.
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Djones
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Posted : Jan 29, 2009 23:23
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Well, my idea of best order would be something like this:
EQ, Compression, EQ, Distortion, Flanger/Phaser/etc..., Delay and at last Reverb, and maybe another EQ.
That's for having things most natural sounding, I think.
But for crazy Psychedelic sounds, any weird order of plugins could do the job. |
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Jan 30, 2009 00:06
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Why would you EQ the same channel 3 times, makes no sense to me.
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Kane
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Posted : Jan 30, 2009 00:25
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The rest of that post doesn't make any sense at all (how is that more "natural sounding" when you're loading the track with tons of processors?).
The only reason it isn't really a valid thing to do would be if you were loading extra eqs in series (unless you're out of bands on one of them).
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Djones
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Posted : Jan 30, 2009 00:39
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On 2009-01-30 00:06, A.Rosengren wrote:
Why would you EQ the same channel 3 times, makes no sense to me.
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Well usually when I use 2.
As whenever I use an EQ on a kick, followed by a compressor, I need to put another EQ in there to really shape the sound again.
This same method I would use on percussion tracks as well.
But nevermind that 2nd or even 3rd eq then, just stick with one if you like. |
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Djones
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Posted : Jan 30, 2009 00:42
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On 2009-01-30 00:25, Kane wrote:
The rest of that post doesn't make any sense at all (how is that more "natural sounding" when you're loading the track with tons of processors?).
The only reason it isn't really a valid thing to do would be if you were loading extra eqs in series (unless you're out of bands on one of them).
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Well of course it makes sense, as you don't want to have all your phasers, reverbs and delays pulled thru a compressor and as that would really distort the sound a lot.
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Kane
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Posted : Jan 30, 2009 03:25
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I don't?
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jizy
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Posted : Jan 30, 2009 11:40
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hmm, na i just ment the best way for the best sounding, not eq compressor etc, for example the HASS trick, and best ways to produce pure sound and less muddy from chains of plugins, or is it all simply in the panning and eq?
cheers
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gutter
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Posted : Jan 30, 2009 12:46
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you have to keep it simple as much as you can with dynamic processors unless you have to fix something , except usual hi/pass - low/pass/shelving filtering or clearing the middle area from leads etc.
As for the Haas effect try to experiment with this:
a dry lead for example, recorded in mono, then record it again the same, or make subtly changes to midi pattern, tuning, filter etc  , then pan these each hard left/right and send to a fine delay on your fx chain.
Push the pre-fader on sends and pull down the faders on your two lead channels, & youll have only the wet signal, as long a the delay is full wet, here if the delay has not a filter on it, you could hi pass the delayed signal, cause low frequencies, if they exist there are not really needed in a clear delay, the sound will sound inside the monitors and not in the surface and become huge, you wont need a reverb at all for that sound now.You can bring up the dry signal to be more in front or play/automate the amount on the send signal.
Also hi-passing reverb and maybe a little low-shelving filter will make the reverb more clean sounding and be focused in the middle frequencies without to much low dirty os hi hiss. just an example, experiment with every sound and order of fx,give a little each time, then give more, and there are many ways to achieve good result, and a suggestion is to avoid compressors as much as you can
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gutter
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Posted : Jan 30, 2009 13:24
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silly.. i forgot to say to put some delay on the tracks for the haas, that would be 20-50 ms less, again experiment with the wideness and different sounds correspond different to these times
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Fragletrollet
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Posted : Jan 30, 2009 14:06
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On 2009-01-30 00:42, Djones wrote:
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On 2009-01-30 00:25, Kane wrote:
The rest of that post doesn't make any sense at all (how is that more "natural sounding" when you're loading the track with tons of processors?).
The only reason it isn't really a valid thing to do would be if you were loading extra eqs in series (unless you're out of bands on one of them).
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Well of course it makes sense, as you don't want to have all your phasers, reverbs and delays pulled thru a compressor and as that would really distort the sound a lot.
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I mostly use compressors at the end of the chain (sometimes followed by a limiter), and sometimes an eq after that if needed.
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piko_bianko
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Posted : Jan 30, 2009 15:21
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i usually follow this chain:
freq fx
EQ
COMP
time fx
+i never use time fx from any synth (that's when we use a synth  )
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On 2009-01-30 00:06, A.Rosengren wrote:
Why would you EQ the same channel 3 times, makes no sense to me.
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use of more than 1 eqs is about radical sound shaping, like using any freqfx.. i do it several times myself too..
eg. you start with a chunky snaredrum as your base sound, and you want to end up with a chaotic and strange percussion line using just that.. so any eq before your last one in chain is about radical sound altering, not for "eqing"
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Andrew
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Posted : Jan 30, 2009 16:14
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