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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 12:26
ambient and chill out section ?
“What we need is the development of the Inner Spiritual man, the unique individual, whose treasure is hidden in the symbols of our mythological tradition and in man’s unconscious psych.” - CJ Jung
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 13:42
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On 2010-01-21 08:03, Bom*shankar wrote:
idm is a very loose definition.
word.
i don`t see how maps and diagrams can be idm and same aphex twin or auterche or some warp relesaes.then we could say that hol baumann's album human is also idm.yes i will say that is very intelligent music,but is that reason to go in idm genre?
ricard h.kirk said many years ago "It's basically saying this is intelligent and everything else is stupid."
so i think that idm is not the music genre,it is just a word that have a very very wide use.and it`s is using by listeners own taste,not by some pattern.that genre doesn`t not exist.
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Posted : Jan 21, 2010 23:46
@misha, what loosely defines IDM isn't if the music IYO is 'intelligent' but whether different seemingly un-related time signatures, instruments, bends, reverses and other audio techniques are chopped and spliced together, either with percussion or with melodic instruments to make a fluid interaction.
Hol Baumann uses Glitch, but not so much IDM because of the repetition of the glitches, if that makes any sense. They aren't organic and varying enough throughout the track.
@LSD, IDM is relevant to chillout, because of it's influence on chillout music, ist ed: bluetech, shulman and many other artists who aren't specifically IDM but use IDM techniques (cell-hanging masses)
I'm going to try and given some differen't examples of IDM here.
First you have the classic or pure form of IDM, which originated with using those techniques on the drums. It was also typically a much darker genre, almost industrial in nature.
These are quintessential classic IDM tracks
(banned by mtv.. lulz)
Then you have artists like Auditory Canvas; who I'm actually going to be doing an interview with for chillbase here in a few weeks; and Trifonic who have successfully combined IDM styles with a more melodic and 'chillout' approach while still maintaining some of the grittier nature of pure IDM.
http://www.last.fm/music/Auditory+Canvas/Elements+%28Album+Teaser%29/Lost+and+Found
Finally you have your pure chillout artists who gently weave IDM into some of their tracks.
Even on BT's touchingly beautiful new single "every other way". His new album already sounds like it's going to be Emotional Technology meets This Binary Universe. Mixing post rock, synth pop, breaks and trance with ambient, glitch, IDM and downtempo
blip.fm/itranscendence
TechMonkey
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Posted : Jan 22, 2010 00:25
Wow. That Trifonic track is amazing. Those AFX vids are still amazing all these years later.
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Posted : Jan 22, 2010 02:20
I know tech, I love that song and the video.
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Posted : Jan 22, 2010 17:41
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On 2010-01-21 23:46, iTranscendence wrote:
@misha, what loosely defines IDM isn't if the music IYO is 'intelligent' but whether different seemingly un-related time signatures, instruments, bends, reverses and other audio techniques are chopped and spliced together, either with percussion or with melodic instruments to make a fluid interaction.
that still isn`t description of idm.it is more likely to describe electronic experimental music.first song come to daddy is world wide so called IDM track,but if you took and ask Richard he will said it isn`t a idm.And only reason why is that true is because IDM don`t have description,artists use that term because that think that exist.Other videos such as bluetech or cell aren`t good examples,because by that pattern almost every second ambient,electoronica release should have IDM in genre field.
First IDM roots were planted by compilation-Artificial Intelligence by Warp(i think that was 1991)and that is simply slower techno.Most of that artists(Musicology.UP!,Speedy J) are pure techno of that time,and someone took that and called IDM.
Today's "IDM" is just very quality electronica with usualy slower beats,but it isn`t a music genre.
My point is that artist as same as listeners use that term and most of them simple don`t have description of it.Just go and ask couple groups of artists and listeners,one will said that some release is idm,other that is not and third that is simply electronica.
I simple don`t love to use word IDM while describing some music.
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Posted : Jan 22, 2010 21:29
True.
That's the history of the terminology, and what it originated as, but not what defines now what it is.
Like everything else, words and definitions grow and evolve over time. IDM has gone from the broader sense from being the "IDM list", which did include many of the early great ambient and downtempo groups in the early 90's to being a very specific set of style techniques being employed in the music.
Many of those techniques were defined by groups like Aphex Twin who were one of the original artists on the IDM list. It was after those original years and the explosion in the popularity of groups like AT and FSOL that caused the divergence between them, causing the term IDM to forever be tied to those techniques.
You have to remember that all that was almost 2 decades ago already and the elitist colloquialism of IDM meaning some sort of status symbol above other electronic artists has been replaced by a very specific set of rhythmic and composition related style applications.
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LumaDaylight
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Posted : Jan 23, 2010 19:13
Yea IDM is pretty broad..shoulda clarified it more but thanks for the leads
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Posted : Jan 23, 2010 23:02
the 'intelligent toys 5' compilation might be what you're looking for. it's a free download on http://www.sutemos.net/en/
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Posted : Jan 24, 2010 02:07
Off topic, but I just wanted to thank Yidam for posting that link. That IJO vid "Face" on that page is amazing. So beautiful and sad. Now back to your regularly scheduled (and very interesting) discussion!
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Posted : Jan 24, 2010 02:36
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On 2010-01-22 21:29, iTranscendence wrote:
True.
That's the history of the terminology, and what it originated as, but not what defines now what it is.
Like everything else, words and definitions grow and evolve over time. IDM has gone from the broader sense from being the "IDM list", which did include many of the early great ambient and downtempo groups in the early 90's to being a very specific set of style techniques being employed in the music.
Many of those techniques were defined by groups like Aphex Twin who were one of the original artists on the IDM list. It was after those original years and the explosion in the popularity of groups like AT and FSOL that caused the divergence between them, causing the term IDM to forever be tied to those techniques.
You have to remember that all that was almost 2 decades ago already and the elitist colloquialism of IDM meaning some sort of status symbol above other electronic artists has been replaced by a very specific set of rhythmic and composition related style applications.
good point.You are right about terminology and the fact that is now 2010.I am a big lover of old sound,and i pretty annoyed when in genre field in many releases see name IDM,cause today that word is more present because it`s modernity rather than real meaning,even is so hard to define it.there is a little artists that really now how to use idm in their sound.i don`t like to use that name as genre,but there are some who now how to describe it.
here is a link of some nice compilation from idmforums.com crew.they release many good free various artists album.next will be edition nine,i think it will be released in march.this one is from last summer and it called Mind Tree(IDM003)
http://label.idmforums.com/download/mindtree
