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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Dec 6, 2009 21:18
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that sounds so amazing and so incredible at the same time.That Lexicon plug in sound exactly as the hardware unit.....
I wish there would be sort of demo audio files or sth.
And does anyone know what (more or less) does this plug in cost? which price ..Is it only the side where you can write sth to the guy or is there a room for consideration with background information?
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Also ,do you guys think the Oxford Reverb is a "cheep" algoritmic toy too,or is it in a high league of quality algorithmix? I find it more transparent than a lot of others,but I still need to find time & move to the store for real speakers ,so it is only a very subjective impression .
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UAD is sth I do believe is amazing,but honestly, I find it way too complex with all this milions of versions and price ranges in relation to almost nothing described here .Espescially since I have not the possibility to afford all I would like to,rather seldom and so this I have to be sure,so seems to me like forget it man,for me.
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mquirk1
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Posted : Dec 7, 2009 07:43
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there are demos on the lexicon site i think.. the plugin bundle costs $1500 the hardware unit which it takes the majority of the algorithms from is $3000 (the pcm96)
haven't used the oxford reverb but the UAD verbs are awesome, especially the emt 250. pretty sure that takes the algos from the original hardware unit as well.. |
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Posted : Dec 7, 2009 09:34
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Dec 7, 2009 09:58
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thanks for info.1500 is much for a plug in...but if it is the same as the 3000 $ hardware reverb version then it is a great deal.I need to hear the demos,really curious,not that I could afford it at the moment but one never knows what the future brings.Heard always only proud owners (lexicon) even from rock genre etc.
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Yeah I also used oxford once on a bass drum in a dub project and it was my favourite element of this track.
But often for other stuff I find oxford hard to process properly.Must collect more expirience there.
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Posted : Dec 7, 2009 13:19
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i love my Lexicon!
the hall algorithms are fabulous - you can set them up to ring forever - but actually what it does best is rooms and spaces.
the thing that sets it apart from most plugins is that it is dynamic. so there are many modulation options (including the famous 'spin') which respond to the audio input. i think that's partly what makes it so special... it is not just static.
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Ascension
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Posted : Dec 7, 2009 15:13
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On 2009-12-07 13:19, -aeon- wrote:
i love my Lexicon!
the hall algorithms are fabulous - you can set them up to ring forever - but actually what it does best is rooms and spaces.
the thing that sets it apart from most plugins is that it is dynamic. so there are many modulation options (including the famous 'spin') which respond to the audio input. i think that's partly what makes it so special... it is not just static.
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Any idea how that spin compares to the one in the Ableton native reverb?
I've been using Ableton's native verb, seems to be good, but I don't know a ton about reverbs.
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Posted : Dec 7, 2009 16:58
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i don't know how the parameter relates, but (for me) the sound is very different. i never really liked Ableton's reverb at all... but it may have changed!
the Lexicon algorithms are a world apart. it is the only reverb i have used where the reverb and the original sound are not 'separated' - the reverb sits around the sound, it's like they're both one.
i would recommend checking out Stillwell Audio 'Verbiage' and Magnus 'Ambience'. both are really nice VST reverbs... i still sometimes use Verbiage when i want a very dense metallic artificial reverb (the Lexicon is better for natural spaces).
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Dec 7, 2009 19:17
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Recently I tested Redline 112 reverb ,sounds different for sure nice for synths but for voice it does not work that good,couldnt find any really working preset no matter how tweaked the parameters a no go for voice so far.It alwawys sounds too "wet" and strange..somehow pretty unnatural.Maybe for a word or one sentence it could be interesting ,as an effect.And soo high..I need to punch some bass in the eq hehe.
I think reverbs for synths and for voice are 2 completely different worlds.Can imagine for a lead it should be a special though.
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Ascension
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Posted : Dec 7, 2009 22:55
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In order to not create a thread, can we go on a slight tangent here.
What do you guys look for in a reverb? Basically, how do you use it to benefit a sound? Knowing this would help myself/hopefully others when deciding on getting a new verb plugin. I don't know as much about using reverbs as I want to, so this might help a bit. Any other tips or suggestions would be good too.
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mquirk1
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Posted : Dec 8, 2009 05:55
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On 2009-12-07 22:55, Ascension wrote:
In order to not create a thread, can we go on a slight tangent here.
What do you guys look for in a reverb? Basically, how do you use it to benefit a sound? Knowing this would help myself/hopefully others when deciding on getting a new verb plugin. I don't know as much about using reverbs as I want to, so this might help a bit. Any other tips or suggestions would be good too.
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sound/realism/detail
i think the main difference between cheaper crappier verbs and the high end ones are cheaper verbs tend to be harsh and metallic sounding.. just sound fake, not like 'real spaces'. whereas for example the high end lexicon verbs sound very lush, and like the sound was actually recorded in a hall, or room or whatever..
the 'metallic' type verb can be cool as an effect, but yeah if you're looking for real spaces such as a bit of small room ambience to make a mix open up or whatever, you really need a high end plugin/hardware.
having said that.. you're not really gonna hear a massive difference unless you have an awesome monitoring chain. stuff like hearing the difference in the details fo the tails etc is hard to do if you're just using crappy speakers/room |
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Posted : Dec 9, 2009 00:42
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On 2009-12-07 22:55, Ascension wrote:
In order to not create a thread, can we go on a slight tangent here.
What do you guys look for in a reverb? Basically, how do you use it to benefit a sound? Knowing this would help myself/hopefully others when deciding on getting a new verb plugin. I don't know as much about using reverbs as I want to, so this might help a bit. Any other tips or suggestions would be good too.
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I've learned that a good reverb is one that it does not take much of it to have an affect on the sound. You should also not be able to "hear" or notice the reverb but miss it's presence when it's gone.
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-aeon-
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Posted : Dec 9, 2009 15:52
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in addition to what's already been said, i tend to listen closely to the tail.
i dial up a really long or 'big' reverb; use 'hall' or 'cathedral' algorithm (whichever is biggest!) with the highest quality setting, the widest and most diffuse tail. then run a range of different sounds through it - percussive hits, vocals, pads.
shitty reverbs will get grainy really quickly. the sound won't be natural or cohesive; it just decays into a mush and doesn't hold together.
good reverbs will just ring out forever, a really beautiful but unobtrusive wash of feedback as the sound spreads out. good stereo separation, evolving rather than static decays, and the feeling that the sound and the reverb are one - not separate. that's where the Lexicon is the best i've heard, because it really sits 'around' the source. you don't think of it as an artificial process added afterwards, it sounds like an integral part of the original sound.
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the thing is most of the time we don't use reverbs the same way a traditional engineer would. we don't often want a natural sounding reverb, or a small room reverb (like a band producer might use on a drum track). we often use reverb as a special effect; so we want really long massive reverbs, or reverbs which incorporate other processing (delays, fx) to really take an ordinary sound and turn it into something else. i don't use pre-decay much because i like tight integration between the attack of the source sound and the decay of the verb.
sometimes i will send synths and percussion to a group channel with a reverb on it. typically this is a much shorter verb, quite wide, with filtering used to make sure there are no very high or very low frequencies; that way the hi-hats don't ring, and the low parts of the synth sounds don't clutter up the mix. for this kind of reverb it's important to keep the wet/dry mix very low, so there's just a hint of reverb in the background.
this can really help a group of synths or drums to sit together cohesively; it gives them a defined space.
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Uedi
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Posted : Dec 9, 2009 21:22
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On 2009-12-07 15:13, Ascension wrote:
Any idea how that spin compares to the one in the Ableton native reverb?
I've been using Ableton's native verb, seems to be good, but I don't know a ton about reverbs.
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Before I didn't use much the Ableton verb...
I read some tutorials but I was never happy with it.. !
Until I found this Timo Fey tutorials:
http://www.timofey.be/tutorials.html
On the Kid Cudi vs Crookers Day N Night the verb is pretty sweet!
Very simple settings... longggg!!
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Posted : Dec 9, 2009 21:23
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also the first 100/200 ms are very important, it s how the verb blend with the source, often software are not dense enought there sounding like it s not part of the source but something added |
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