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Trip-
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Posted : Feb 14, 2007 08:30
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Let's put sarcasm aside folks...
  Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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diskOtek
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Posted : Feb 14, 2007 15:02
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i agree with Trip-some ppl need to chill a bit..there are no silly questions(as some seem to believe bout this one)only silly answers!
on topic, i think that what's been said by many that its the mix that matters is quite true.but also,if u master a bad bad mix it will sound a little better thats true also!maybe its the placebo effect i dont know but i felt that way about my tracks!
i can hand you some if u want to ehehehh 
and thats ofcourse my humblest opinion! 
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Feb 14, 2007 19:26
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xrust
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Posted : Feb 14, 2007 19:37
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colin thanx a lot !tell me your adress to send you flowers(or my sister,16 years old) 
million thanx
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sonicfusion
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Posted : Feb 14, 2007 19:53
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The difference between an unmastered and a (professional) mastered track is so huge that noone probably dares to post unmastered stuff, right? ;0) |
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Antbreath
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Posted : Feb 14, 2007 20:42
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ThanX Col
really helpful to hear mate *thumbs up*
also well in for straight to the point , no fannying aroundness , Big respect
defo gonna hit a pro masterer if i ever do a good mix 
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Saf
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Posted : Feb 15, 2007 01:03
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That was pretty cool Colin, thanks. |
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soulfood
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Posted : Feb 15, 2007 01:03
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Some things are best left unknown. I think you should just be the best that you can ever be regardless. Mastering to me, is merely a means of fixing up a few tracks so they sound nice sitting next to eachother. Im no pro but all of my tracks have the same sort of sound so if ever I wanted to do a live set hey presto good enough. If I get something realeased, it really isnt my problem as someone else sorts it out. If someone complains about my sound.. I'll spit beer at them, kick over the stack and run around smearing myself in pooh ... so if you have any sense you wouldnt mess!
I've only been producing a short while and I will keep producing as long as my brain can take it so the aim is to sound better than everyone else. If I can do this without mastering... boy... I'm the daddy! I think everyone should do the same. And yes there's always going to be someone better than you, but they aint making the same tunes so they suck in accordance with your vision so they have no frame of reference.
Deaf to mastering. If you argue you are gay ( if u are actually gay it will make you straight). Sorry about that. It's out of my hands, just the way it is. If I could change things I would... believe. Yes sir big time I would but you just got to do the best thing you can with the cards your dealt....
unless your mates are signed to hommega, then they'll let you copy their homework call you killer and then pay someone to write a review about you saying you are cutting edge. |
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Feb 15, 2007 07:22
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why does it seem lots of peeps on this topic are having a titti attack... newbies ask question cus they don;t know..
all the mastering does is increase the apparent volume and add more presence... thats all it won't make a bad song good... Colin was cool for the examples aside from him u can chek other engineers that offer that service they usually have examples of their work on web or ask and they'll send some... but other than that don't dig to deep on it just concentrate on the songs flow er layout
and don't try being better than someone else cus that doesn't help do it because u love it and feel it and work from within and the rest with time and dedication will fall into place back when i was younger bout 21 i would say man by the time im 27 i ma be there or ima be famous bullshit im 27 and still underground but lovin it and now that im older i realize its not bout fame its not but women or money it bout me trying to reach for that inner voice in the best way possible its my escape and expression from this f*ck'd up world we live in...
also don't just always go about askin people how u do this and that without trying...
perhaps if u were to try harder u might not get what u were expecting but u just might run into something a accident of somekind that might just make a better producer or just that next sound that gets u famous or the chicks how ever u want it...
don't stress and keep at it but always have fun with it once thats gone it all goes downhill and start to become a task or a job and thats when i feel music losses its essence as a form of expression...
to those with more experience dont treat the newbies like shit cus like them u where once there instead help out aand plant the seeds of the future one love one god one BOOM |
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xrust
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Posted : Feb 15, 2007 18:31
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ok guys look how simple it is!i am just trying to understand how my monitors reflect the sound ok??
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soulfood
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Posted : Feb 16, 2007 00:38
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Alright |
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Prahlad
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Posted : Feb 16, 2007 19:23
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The dark art of mastering...
Ive seen tracks that sounded thin come out killer, and tracks that sounded decent not improve much, a lot depends how balanced your mix is and how much dynamics are left for the ME to work on.
In general though if you have someone mastering for you analogue it can be killer for them to add the fat bass and sizzly his using analogue gear, the key is the mix must be balanced, if your HHs are sharp and the rest is dull well then...not much to do
Colin do i see youre separately treating the mid and side parts of the signal? Brave man
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Feb 16, 2007 21:39
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On 2007-02-16 19:23, Prahlad wrote:
the key is the mix must be balanced, if your HHs are sharp and the rest is dull well then...not much to do |
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I totally agree. The overall frequency balance of any mix can be massively improved as long as the mix is internally consistent - ie./eg. neither the kick nor the bass has massively more bass than one another, or you don't just have one drum loop with loads more tops than the hats.
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Yeah, it's a good way to make more of the stereo element of a track You can also use it to rescue a bad mix in some (very limited!) cases.
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orange
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Posted : Feb 16, 2007 23:28
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nice demo colin indeed but the thing is that ur mixes before mastering sound good not so loud but good!
leaving in a good mix some workable headroom will leave some space to the mastering engineer to work on and improve loudness and the elements that get a bit lost in the original mix something like the kick and bass in the track 2 (oh my) that have apparently less defined
low mid freqs than the original mix!
but the thing here is that how much a bad/noob mix can be improved in the mastering stage and also how a fairly good mix can be better when the engineer works without the artist close so hes will not loose the feeling or the touch that the artist would like hes track to have!
my opinion is that i prefer my mix not to be super loud so it doesnt loose the initial feeling of the sound i want it to have than have a super loud mix(after mastering)but have squashed bass and blurry highs for the sake of the "loud era" where in !
me likes a musical mastering not a club loud mastering even if our music is club oriented !
i hope u get my point!
although mr Duncan Morrison did 1 hell of a job!
also u did a good job on getting higher the kick/bass combo louder in the mix in track 2!
and u also did a nice job on our track mastering even if we had a noticeable problem in the kick being lost by the bass in our track!(white nose)
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Colin OOOD
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