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xrust
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Posted : Feb 13, 2007 02:22
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how about posting samples from your tracks,before and after the mastering process..maybe it will help some ppl have a better idea and "image" about mmastering and its results 
this can also cheer up many of us that think that their production sound sucks 
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TuK
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Posted : Feb 13, 2007 02:30
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or it will show you that your production really sucks |
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Posted : Feb 13, 2007 09:51
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Usually what sounds good before mastering, will sound even better after.
On the other hand, what doesn't sound good before, probably won't sound much better afterwards.
So just work on the best mix you can, and don't worry about mastering - more over - don't hope for mastering to improve something.
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 13, 2007 10:20
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yes don t hope the mastering to improve something . |
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Posted : Feb 13, 2007 13:10
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Even if mastering doesn't improve the track by a great deal, the amount it DOES improve would still be nice to hear... So people can get a realistic impression of what mastering should do to a track, at least... |
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 13, 2007 13:30
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mastering in psytrance is a big word... if the mix is bad offcourse it ll be better. |
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Posted : Feb 13, 2007 13:34
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Yeah, I suppose it would rely greatly on the person doing the mastering and on their skill level and tools they use too...
... but even still, I'm curious. I've never heard a before and after soundclip myself. Does it just polish off the details, and make the song sound better on a more diverse range of different speakers? Or can it do more than that? I'd still like to hear...
Mastering is meant to be a very difficult skill, and an art in it's own. It'd be good to hear what it can do... |
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Posted : Feb 13, 2007 13:51
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On 2007-02-13 13:30, PoM wrote:
mastering in psytrance is a big word... |
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i agree, its a bit over rated and has high anticipations from the producers to generate magic results.
it all depends on your mix, the "engineer" (who might not have a clue), the concept (whether its a compilation or your album)... this in itself might be a source of all sorts of problems, as your track maybe actually sound better then others to begin with and brought "down" to some other level or process because of the need to make a homogenous mix for the compliation globally that was selected from a diffrent track.
try to make your before sound like it should after and the after will be much more to your liking.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Posted : Feb 13, 2007 13:52
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i master my tracks before going to play live and what i can say is that if our mix sounds good before i can make it louder and a bit more sparkly and polished!
but i never could make a bad mix sound better only louder with a result of a bad mix sounding badly louder!
my 2cents
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xrust
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Posted : Feb 13, 2007 16:37
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On 2007-02-13 13:10, FungalGrowth wrote:
Even if mastering doesn't improve the track by a great deal, the amount it DOES improve would still be nice to hear... So people can get a realistic impression of what mastering should do to a track, at least...
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this is what i am talking about mostly..i know that good mix is overall...but i would also want to know what is the level of quality in unmastered tracks from "known" artists...in other words,to see how much "louder more sparkly and polished! " as ATROPA said mastering can do
thanx for your replies guys
now can we have those samples ??? 
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mk47
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Posted : Feb 13, 2007 20:29
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dunno much about mastering but i doubt theres too much easily audible diffrence exept the loudness . and maby boosting the lows / highs if a track lacks enough bottom / high end sparkle .. sometimes theres even artists complaining that the mastering engineer ruined the overall `feel` of a track
`cant polish a turd , but u can stain a diamond` apparently ..
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Posted : Feb 13, 2007 21:43
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On 2007-02-13 16:37, xrust wrote:
but i would also want to know what is the level of quality in unmastered tracks from "known" artists...in other words,to see how much "louder more sparkly and polished! " as ATROPA said mastering can do
thanx for your replies guys
now can we have those samples ???
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It's quite easy. Make a track, take some money, pay for mastering and you'll hear the difference. Or maybe contact some mastering wizard and demand free samples. Get as much as you can without investing any effort at all. That will make you truly happy and your music will sound better. This is obviously the main idea on this forum lately.
Asking informations and asking for examples is not the same thing. I speak for my self, but believe that many others will agree with me when I say that many users on this forum have gone a bit to far.
You demand examples so that you could judge about master work that somebody has done on some piece of music written by a third person. What can you hear from such example? What are you interested in exactly? Certainly
not the music.
What's the point of this.... to make you feel better or to make you feel better about your music by finding out how much mastering can hide the lousy sounding tracks? Maybe it would make you feel better but why should anyone here care about that?
How about spending some time in the studio making music instead of demanding examples and step wise instructions on how to make a psytrance track that will fit the market? Whenever you want to find out how good you are... upload a track and people will tell you how they feel about it. That's the only way to go.
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xrust
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Posted : Feb 14, 2007 01:46
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sorry,it was just a technical matter the i idea is mostly to check my speakers and make different kinds of comparisons ..no feelings suported
it was just an idea,i am not demanding.i am "spending time in studio",i have uploaded a couple of tracks and i dont really like step wise instructions,neither bla bla blab....
take it easier
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Elad
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Posted : Feb 14, 2007 04:03
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On 2007-02-13 21:43, shamantrixx wrote:
Get as much as you can without investing any effort at all. That will make you truly happy and your music will sound better. This is obviously the main idea on this forum lately. |
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Yes, getting the most we can with as little effort as possible is EXACTLY what we want. Because - of course - there could be NO other possible reason why someone would like to hear a before and after soundclip of mastering. Not just for curiosity. Not for any other reason. These people obviously have the malicious intent to become the greatest psytrance producers in the universe with no effort whatsoever.
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On 2007-02-13 21:43, shamantrixx wrote:
It's quite easy. Make a track, take some money, pay for mastering and you'll hear the difference. Or maybe contact some mastering wizard and demand free samples. |
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That's a brilliant idea! Why simply ask a forum for some samples that anyone could upload within the space of five minutes with no effort, when each of us could simply go to the effort to track down someone who can do mastering, and pay them the hundreds of dollars - or however much - required so we can hear the difference ourselves!
Why should someone simply upload some samples for free and with very little effort to help out however many people on this forum (more than one 2 I wager) who are interested in the benefits of mastering, when each of those people could simply waste all that time and money finding it out for ourselves?
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On 2007-02-13 21:43, shamantrixx wrote:
What's the point of this.... to make you feel better or to make you feel better about your music by finding out how much mastering can hide the lousy sounding tracks? |
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Of course it is! Everyone knows that for everything in life, there is a quick and easy way to get everything for nothing! Like all those get rich quick schemes and easy weight loss remedies! Everyone knows you can get something for nothing, it's a fact of life!
Mastering must be the answer! It must be the key we've all looking for to turn our shitty 8 bar loop into a Hulking Psytrance monster of a track!!! You're reluctance to post some samples is evidence that you're trying to hide from us the key to becoming Psytrance Gods!
People keep saying mastering can't turn a turd into gold. Of course, I don't know, having never heard the difference myself, which is the reason - for me at least - for wanting to hear some samples. Has it ever occurred to you, that maybe if someone DID post some samples, that it would destroy anyone's ideas that mastering is what will make their music awesome?
Most people here should already know that you can't make good music without putting in the effort. And if they don't, they will soon enough... |
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