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lord_bhairava
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Posted : Oct 6, 2008 17:36
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its just a psicological effect, the sense of owner and the bad reputation of the mp3. |
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Suntrip Records
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Posted : Oct 6, 2008 19:10
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On 2008-10-06 17:36, lord_bhairava wrote:
its just a psicological effect, the sense of owner and the bad reputation of the mp3.
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No it's not, if you are talking about mp3's, they are of lower quality, which means your music sounds less good... and I hate that, and on decent or good boxes (b&w) you hear that!
(.WAV-files or FLACs, that's another discussion...) |
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Oct 6, 2008 19:50
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the thing is when you buy a cd its an experience...you go online, you find the cd you place the order, it takes 3-20 days...you keep checking your mailbox to see if your package has arrived or not..you go to the dhl site and locate your paracel and see where in transit it is. Then you read its in your city, but its late in the evening...next day you wake up hoping to hear the door bell and wishing that its your cd. the door bell rings you jump out and open the door,and its the newspaper boy. you go and check online again and it reads should be at your door step by 1pm...you skip work as you want that cd...by then 45 new psychedelic trance albums have released and yours is probably too old for the dancefloor by the time you remove the plastic wrapper.
Long behold you get your cd and sometimes even if you dont like it you say, "i think with time i might like it or if its played on the dancefloor i will recognize it and then begin to like it because i was dancing to it" ...but now you own this piece of psychedelic culture, you say u will throw it away but then you feel that oh that experience of ordering and waiting and getting all anxious for 15 days in anticipation of the cd...finally it reaches...its end destination...in your hand...even bad albums sound good because sometimes you realize the number of hands and number of countries that 12 by 12 piece of metal coated plastic wrapped thing has been through...and compared to that
you go on Beatport, download a track and while you are downloding you get pissed because your connection is not fast enough...pretty ironic dont you think
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Posted : Oct 6, 2008 21:22
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Guys you're pretty much into a consumist culture.
I mean the art is the music, the artwork that can be provided digitally.
The rest is a piece of plastic, that take oil and some energy to create. In the processes it created waste. And when you die your sons probably will throw 2000 CD to the garbage. Creeating 4 m3 of waste? And all the envelopes used to shipping it? and the energy taken to transporting it? and the plastic wrapper?
All this only for feeling good about holding a cd?
I know the physical product give us some sense of ownership, but if you think about this in an extensive manner is the same as people who woships their cellphones, watchs, cars, blings, etc.
do you need it? or its just a substitute?
"The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures." |
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demoniac
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Posted : Oct 6, 2008 21:30
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a3k
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Posted : Oct 6, 2008 21:41
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nothing replaces the feeling of holding an original CD.
and this way you pay respect on buying and supporting what you like, and then the artists can make more of what you like
i just love my "cd babies"
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squirm
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Posted : Oct 6, 2008 23:31
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given the number of online stores around where you can easily download music, its kind of hard to see why you'd want to go ahead and get a cd. but given the chance, id still buy myself a cd. theres just something different about it. asides from the obvious feeling of ownership, i like knowing that my money's been well spent and i have made my small contribution to the artists who work so tirelessly at giving us such crazy music. and on a different note, some music is hard to come by in any other form but cd. besides, its always a blast to crank up the volume and let the cd player do the talking 
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Outolintu
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Posted : Oct 7, 2008 19:59
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On 2008-10-06 21:22, Login wrote:
Guys you're pretty much into a consumist culture.
I mean the art is the music, the artwork that can be provided digitally.
The rest is a piece of plastic, that take oil and some energy to create. In the processes it created waste. And when you die your sons probably will throw 2000 CD to the garbage. Creeating 4 m3 of waste? And all the envelopes used to shipping it? and the energy taken to transporting it? and the plastic wrapper?
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it'd be interesting to see some calculations about how much a CD wastes energy and creates waste compared to a mp3.
you seem to forget that a mp3 being itself nonphysical still needs computers, hard drives and all that other mostly out of plastic made gear to function not to mention the ludacris amount of equipment and energy that is needed to maintain the lovely world wide web where one goes to purchase a mp3. if one wnats to go green i'd say ditching your computer and saying goodbye to the virtual world would be the 1st thing to do and start buying 2nd hand cds and vinyls. or if one is really hard core then one should forget the whole electronic and electric music thing and start enjoying acoustic live music at walking distance from one's home. that's walking the walk and not just talking the talk
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Basilisk
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Posted : Oct 7, 2008 21:03
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Here are a few pages about the impact of CDs on the environment:
http://www.greenlivingtips.com/blogs/136/Earth-friendly-CD-cases.html
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/cds-dvds-jewel-cases-recycling-460708
http://www.cdrecyclingcenter.com/information/about_recycling
http://www.phdcc.com/envcds.htm
The first link quotes a study that offers these figures:
GHG emissions
• PaperFoam: 0.03 kg CO2-eq / CD-case
• Jewelpack: 0.27 kg CO2-eq / CD-case
• Digipack: 0.12 kg CO2-eq / CD-case
With these rates, a standard run of 1,000 CDs in jewel cases accounts for 270 kg of CO2 emissions.
Of course, we need some data for computer usage and CO2 emissions to have any idea how relevant these numbers are. CDs are static objects; measuring their impact is relatively easy... desktop computing is not. In what little research I have done I've seen a lot of different numbers thrown around. First, here are some links:
http://maps.grida.no/go/graphic/life-cycle-emissions-of-a-computer
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/cyber-warming-pcs-produce-same-cosub2-subemissions-as-airlines-452531.html
At first glance, the numbers seem to approximate 70 to 350 kg of CO2-equivalent emissions. In other words, it is conceivable that printing a batch of 1,000 CDs causes roughly as much emissions as running your computer for a year... but I think the total amount of toxic metals and other pollutants in your computer vastly outweigh what you find in the physical substrate of CDs. Then again, you are more likely to use your computer longer than you make use of a CD. Oh, and even if you ditched your computer you still need some sort of electronic device to play a CD. As you can tell, these sorts of arguments tend to spiral outward into ambiguity...
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Posted : Oct 7, 2008 21:30
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Posted : Oct 7, 2008 21:41
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^^Excellent argument:
We use computers for much more things than hearing music, while cd's dont.
So CD's create an extra if you already are using your computer.
So in order to be comparable you must first get rid of your computer.
Goodbye physical Media
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Suntrip Records
Suntrip Records
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Posted : Oct 7, 2008 22:26
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My god, if "pollution" is the reason why a cd is bad... Then you must live in a forest without a pc, internet and anything polluting, right?
Having a car, THAT is polluting... not having cds... it's SO litlle polluting compared to 99% of the things we use every day...
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Dogon
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Posted : Oct 7, 2008 22:45
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On 2008-10-06 21:41, a3k wrote:
nothing replaces the feeling of holding an original CD.
and this way you pay respect on buying and supporting what you like, and then the artists can make more of what you like
i just love my "cd babies"
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ditto!
original CDs rule & so do the CD players... 
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Posted : Oct 8, 2008 00:25
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On 2008-10-07 22:26, Suntrip Records wrote:
My god, if "pollution" is the reason why a cd is bad... Then you must live in a forest without a pc, internet and anything polluting, right?
Having a car, THAT is polluting... not having cds... it's SO litlle polluting compared to 99% of the things we use every day...
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again you're right, but now multiply the pollution created bvy each one of us consuming cd's. HOw many Millions of cd's is the world consuming each year?
"The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures." |
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V3NOM
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Posted : Oct 8, 2008 01:55
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anyway original cd's are very nice and quite easy to store. if you are unable to make something to hold thme, I keep the cases with the back sleave or digipack in storage in boxes, and have the cd with cover or dj slip (when included) in my big slappa cases.
They take up no room, everything is easily organised and with the interlocking sleave system is very east to manage 
on pollution I'd say the worst aspect of this,a nd any, music scene are the gigs where hundreds to thousand gather, stomp on the earth, use generators, smoke and drink and litter without a care.
oh and use cars etc. to get to and from them 
cd's are probably the lowest worry of all.
I'm a consumer, of many things, and it provides me with a lot of joy to look at what I own, and reminds me of how hard I've worked to achieve a lifestyle that I enjoy.
I still have my spiritual self and care and tend tothat as well.
Life is all about balance, and haviong a good time a smuch as possible.
A good time often costs money in our modern world, and it also causes damage to the environment.
So you need to manage what you spend on, and also work to equal out the damage you may cause to the environment.
Respect for all things earns you respect as well.
Love my cd's |
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