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jack the tripper
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Posted : Apr 27, 2005 11:40
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tell me please...when both basslines are running together,should there be a slight volume increase to counter the imbalance that might come in while fading out one of the two basslines?
is it okay to use the buildup of a track and then shift to another buildup from the other track?or is it a rule that you should play a track for a while and not just use a few minutes out of it,which may include full shift of the track?should there be some element of the track that you are going to shift to in the end through out these few minutes of usage?or a frugal use of the cross fader is acceptable in such cases?
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fregle
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Posted : Apr 27, 2005 16:13
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DONT play 2 basses at the same time... very simple...
and yes! that's OK! it's even more then ok, it's creative use of the music u have at ur disposal!!!!! it's positive  |
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jack the tripper
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Posted : Apr 29, 2005 09:46
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On 2005-04-27 16:13, FREGLE wrote:
DONT play 2 basses at the same time... very simple...
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i dont think that is possible.....sometimes you need to run two basslines together...isnt that what beat matching is called?correct me if im wrong.....
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Freeflow
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Posted : Apr 29, 2005 10:37
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of course you can play two basses, just mind the volume, some filtering might be necessary! with some practise and finding matching tracks you can sync tracks to make a whole new one.
search the internet for information and start to practise and you will learn...
a big thing is to learn the songs in and out.
"Well, the point of beat-matching is to take two tunes, and make them run at exactly the same tempo (BPM). Why? So you can play the two tunes together and go from one to the other without there being a change in the beat. Why? So that the people on the floor don't have to shuffle step to get back into the rhythm of the music. Why? coz otherwise they'll leave. Why? SHUT UP!!!
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fregle
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Posted : Apr 29, 2005 16:12
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On 2005-04-29 09:46, jack the tripper wrote:
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On 2005-04-27 16:13, FREGLE wrote:
DONT play 2 basses at the same time... very simple...
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i dont think that is possible.....sometimes you need to run two basslines together...isnt that what beat matching is called?correct me if im wrong.....
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u need to beatmatch it yes, so it runs at the same tempo, ofcourse... but when u throw them both together thru the PA, u always have to cut one of the basses on the EQ of ur mixer, otherwise it will sound very very muddy. U are not obligated to keep both basses turned up just because it's beatmatched... I don't see why u think u should?
I really mean it, NEVER EVER let both bass-knobs on ur mixer stay open at the same time while both songs are playing thru the PA... While it's still only in the headphones u do what u want to do ofcourse...
i don't mean cut them completely either, just cut one of them enough so u only hear one of both basslines thru the PA... If u cut the bass-knob entirely u'll lose too much mid too u knoow, and the song from which u cut the bass will sound very thin...
and i don't mean that u can't switch between basses u know, just don't leave both open at the same time... i do that all the time while i'm mixing, it has a great effect on the crowd...
u can leave both MIDS open if songs are good together (leaving both highs open at the same time makes the hihats clash in a very irritating way)... then u have a combination of both songs and then u made something 'new' (basses can never be layered like melodies, they ALWAYS fight), but leaving both basses open just muddies the sound... I'm really serious!! I know this out of experience, not because i'm being stubborn!! |
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fregle
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Posted : Apr 29, 2005 16:21
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anyway, if u don't believe me...
http://66.135.37.73/psyvideo.com/~dj/FREGLE - demo mix - 30-03-2005.mp3
i never let 2 basses play at the same time, but it doesn't mean that i'm not layering songs... just listen and u'll hear what i mean... i never let both highs be open at the same time either...
for all the dj-haters here, i HAVE the playlist if u want it, i'm NOT trying to take advantage of the artists/labels i'm playing the music of, NOR am i trying to take credit for they're music...
i'm not saying that i know everything or that i'm a superior dj (really, i'm not... i'm not even an especially 'good' dj yet), i just wanna say that u can't throw 2 basslines thru the PA with the same volume at the same time... |
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Lord Deo
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Posted : Apr 29, 2005 20:12
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On 2005-04-29 16:21, FREGLE wrote:
i'm not saying that i know everything or that i'm a superior dj (really, i'm not... i'm not even an especially 'good' dj yet), i just wanna say that u can't throw 2 basslines thru the PA with the same volume at the same time...
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it depends really on lots of stuff, and sometimes introducing two basslines with the same volume can make people flip out on the dance floor, as long as basses are beatmached, aren't offkey in relation one to another.
lets assume you have a track, and bassline of it has narrow stereo field. lets assume you got another bassline coming in (from the cued track) that has wide stereo field. if introduced into the mix at right time and proper volume adjustments (not eq-ing) it will cause earpleasing effect.
Besically all i am trying to say that," don't do this don't do that" kinda isn't right. gotta do everything that feels wicked.
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Wanka Tanka
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Posted : Apr 29, 2005 21:08
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On 2005-04-27 11:40, jack the tripper wrote:
is it okay to use the buildup of a track and then shift to another buildup from the other track? or is it a rule that you should play a track for a while and not just use a few minutes out of it,which may include full shift of the track? should there be some element of the track that you are going to shift to in the end through out these few minutes of usage? or a frugal use of the cross fader is acceptable in such cases?
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Sorry to bother guys..but I cant understand what a heck are you trying to said here, maybe its my english thought, you are asking if its nice to use more them 2 tracks at the same time ? or I mean...mix very quick and change de tracks in a more dynamic way ? enlight me please..got little confused
thanks FREGLE.. I aways thought that was okey to run 2 basses at the same time opem for the crowd..luck that I dont spin lol 
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Dark_Dork
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Posted : Apr 30, 2005 02:25
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On 2005-04-29 10:37, New Era Scientist wrote:
Well, the point of beat-matching is to take two tunes, and make them run at exactly the same tempo (BPM). Why? So you can play the two tunes together and go from one to the other without there being a change in the beat. Why? So that the people on the floor don't have to shuffle step to get back into the rhythm of the music. Why? coz otherwise they'll leave. Why? SHUT UP!!!
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jack the tripper
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Posted : Apr 30, 2005 13:20
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@wanka tanka,mix very quickly in a dynamic way is what i meant...basically,randomly take two buildups from two tracks......either build them up together and release one of them....or one after the other.........
@fregle,i understand what you say...thanks for the link also.......but ive myself heard basslines running together...and when the bpm is matched...it sounds quite nice ,otherwise what you said,does happen.........it gets nasty......
but a lot of what u said makes sense....
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Yuli
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Posted : Apr 30, 2005 13:37
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Mixing basses unless it is a completely rare case that they complement each other, can't really sound good, in the worst case scenario u will blow up a woofer, in the better scenario your mix will sound horrible since since the limiter will squash it. You can tho mix both of the basses turning the bass knob on both channels 6 db less. BUT WHY? That is dance music u r trying to mix,so keep the beat steady - I totally agree with FREGLE here
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psykoactiv
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Posted : Apr 30, 2005 19:37
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i have heard off djs bout mixing trax only with the bass in the same key.. that is.. they like to build sets in which the key of the bass sample usually remains the same.. supposed to give very clean mixes..
any truth in that ? ?
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Posted : May 1, 2005 15:57
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On 2005-04-30 19:37, psykoactiv wrote:
i have heard off djs bout mixing trax only with the bass in the same key.. that is.. they like to build sets in which the key of the bass sample usually remains the same.. supposed to give very clean mixes..
any truth in that ? ?
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