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Bassline with Micro-Q waldorf??
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fasspot
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Posted : Sep 19, 2006 23:34
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Hi all,
I have some problems with my micro-Q!! Maybe someone ever exeperienced the same problems!!
So, I think that I can do a great bassline with this synth!!...but each time I tried to do this, the sound "clip" on almost all the notes played... The only way to do my bassline is to bounce the audio!! 
If someone can help, it could be really nice!! 
Thanx
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dtd
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Posted : Sep 19, 2006 23:39
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so where does it clip? what kind of clipping do you mean?
1) playing a note induces a clip in the very beginning --> your amp attack curve is too steep --> add a little bit of attack to your amp adsr.
2) playing a note induces a clip in the very end --> your amp release curve is too steep --> add a little bit of release to your amp adsr.
what makes me a little suspicious about my 'tips' is that you said 'on almost all notes', but not on all? there might of course be (an)other cause(s) as well.
good luck and report some more details, we then can help you a bit better
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sideFXed
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Posted : Sep 19, 2006 23:53
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clipping is nasty.
maybe you could get better readings with a spectral analyzer. that will show what frequency is clipping the main bus.
a little bit of compression and eq should tame the nastiest basslines if applied right.
maybe you could reduce the volume of the synth and use a amplifier plugin, a clipper or again a compressor.
did you set your bassline synth to mono? you can add a bit of phasing and whatnot later.
bit crushing and distortion can lower the transients of a sound. with low tunes like a bassline you can get away with lower settings. this probably could change the sound drastically though...
there are nice transient engineering plugins. voxengo transmodder comes to mind. eventually this one can help.
But last but not least if your bassline isn't right before applying fx, there is a problem in the basic programming or a technical flaw with your set up. I'm not too good with external gear so maybe one of our hardware gurus can give you a hint.
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Cannabis
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Posted : Sep 20, 2006 02:12
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On 2006-09-19 23:34, fasspot wrote:
Hi all,
I have some problems with my micro-Q!! Maybe someone ever exeperienced the same problems!!
So, I think that I can do a great bassline with this synth!!...but each time I tried to do this, the sound "clip" on almost all the notes played... The only way to do my bassline is to bounce the audio!!
If someone can help, it could be really nice!!
Thanx
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Hi Fasspot,
Do you feed the signal of your MicroQ to a pre-amp? I do that because the MicroQ signal is too weak to blend in the mix. If you do that then it might be the levels of your pre-amp that is causing the clip.
You said you are commiting the bassline to audio. I think you should always commit the bassline of an hardware synth to audio before mix down, due to midi delay/drift.
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Posted : Sep 20, 2006 02:15
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Posted : Sep 20, 2006 02:15
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fasspot
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Posted : Sep 21, 2006 01:15
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Thanx dudes for you help !!
The clip is on the beginning of the notes!!
when I said "almost all the notes", I wanted to say: some notes clipps more than other!!
hmm , and i think it's not a problem of pre-amp.... I ever tried before with other hardware, and i experienced the same problems...
I ever tried to play with attack and release, but if I do that, my sound is not the same..... i need a good attack!!! lol
I will try to change the others parameters.... Hardware synths are cool..... but I realy have less problems with vsts!!! lol |
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texmex
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Posted : Sep 21, 2006 15:07
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if it the sound you described apperas in the beginning of the note, it isn't exactly a "clip" but a "click". Clipping occurs when the signal gets too loud so that it goes over the maximum value the synth can represent in its calculations causing distortion.
This click on the other hand is caused by signal that raises or lowers too quickly. If you have zero attack, you hear click if the oscillator starts from a maximum value when the note is played, but you don't hear click if the oscillator starts from zero. So if you have short attack and free running oscillators (meaning that the phase restarted at every note on) sometimes your note will start with oscillator at zero and sometimes at full. So sometimes you have the click, sometimes not. It can be very annoying.
It can be useful to check out the actual waveform to see what could be cause of this sound you're describing.
With short attack you can get very strong aggressive sound to the bass, but you need to have your oscillators phase locked. I don't remember if that is possible with microQ (I should remember as I have one...)
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fasspot
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Posted : Sep 21, 2006 19:31
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Ok... I will check on the waldorf if I can change the oscillator phase!!
I know I can do this with the "A-station" but don't remember for the Waldorf!!
Thanx very much for your help!! I will send a little sample of my bassline!!
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Nik
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Posted : Sep 21, 2006 20:23
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I used to own a micro q like yourself and youre right you can get some pretty meaty basslines out of it - this was back in 2001 when I used hardware alot, but as you may know digital synths have taken over in that they produce a lot more of an 'accurate' sound which is great for producing intricate electronic music at fast bpms, like psy trance. the drawback of hardware synths is that the envelope times are a bit slower and often inconsistent and this is noticable when doing fast 16th note basslines.
the clipping that you mention of was well described by texmex - and he's right in that you would need to retrigger the oscillator on a note on message. unfortunately i cant remember either if the q has this ability but if not then its okay to sample the bass notes so that they have a consistent attack where the attack 'click' would be the same on every note - this would take a bit of time but would be worth it and you may even find that by sequencing the bassline in a sampler you would have a tighter bassline anyway. many producers i know of do this, they would even sample soft synths like the ESM which also hasn't got a retrigger facility just to get that consistent attack stage to their basslines.
do it man, you have a great bassline machine there in the micro q it would sound great, a bit of eq/quadrafuzz on that it could sound great.....im missing mine already.......
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