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Bassline transient question.
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 13, 2011 23:35
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no you re right it s there on ace, but the saw is already a mess so hard to retrgier it and get a peak like this.
in the pic it s either a synth that don t offer retriger and a sample with this peak have been used,,a synth that offer retriger with phase control, or a synth that click with fast attack like es1.. |
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 13, 2011 23:46
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btw a good technic that work on some kick is to cut the waveform of the attack on a non zero crossing point,find a sweet spot by trying at each sample space on the firsts cycles to get a click, pretty smilar to what we are discussing. something like kontakt make it easier by adjusting the start position of the sample manually but it dont work with all kick, not sure i have used this technic in psy. .. it make me think it could be that technic used for this bassline . i tried it in the past by just using a saw that i cut on a non zero corssing point to get the click but didn t get great result.. i should try to do it with a usual bassline patch. |
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makus
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Posted : Dec 14, 2011 00:04
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On 2011-12-13 23:35, PoM wrote:
no you re right it s there on ace, but the saw is already a mess so hard to retrgier it and get a peak like this.
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Why?
Turn off Drift, then turn on Reset on VCO1 and voila. Also Snap might be good for that.
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 14, 2011 00:10
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yeah i tried it already, it s the first synth i used to try to match the aciduss pic but it didnt make a big peak ,it was softer ,i thought cause the sawtooth dont really look like a pure saw on ace output ,it look like a saw with a steep filter on it. use freakoscope if you wanna see, the ace oscilloscope is not accurate .
you also need to use the lfo as a vco for the phase control
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makus
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Posted : Dec 14, 2011 00:28
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hehe, chat 
well yes, it sounds softer indeed, i tried it too, then tried Trilogy and got better result. it has really flexible envelopes where you can draw the curve to taste. this plus possibility to choose staring phase is win win
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 14, 2011 00:46
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yeah it can work good on spectrasonic stuff with the sample start thing but i dont like some bassline note sound weird, you dont run into these issu? for example your bass in g rocks then in g# it sucks? its not consistant. |
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Equilizyme
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Posted : Dec 14, 2011 05:20
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How does retriggering the synth affect the sound of the bass? if a synth doesn't specify a retrigger option does that mean it isn't using it?
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aciduss
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Posted : Dec 14, 2011 08:27
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If a synth is not retriggering each note will start on different phase angle because synth keeps running the osc internally so when it plays a note it kinda catches the osc cycle where its at.
Some synths allow to turn retrigger on / off, some are always off (vintage synth emus) some are always on like for example cronox oscs are always retriggered. |
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Equilizyme
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Posted : Dec 14, 2011 09:27
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Ah I see. yes not good for bass. I am working with:
I have tried the various overdrives i have and tweaked filter envelopes and cannot get anything close to what you guys are talking about.
I'm using ableton's operator. Should I just forget it and use something else or get quadrafuzz or just keep turning the knobs in all directions until i understand? I am happy to do any of those things 
Thanks for the advice
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psycox
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Posted : Dec 14, 2011 14:24
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On 2011-12-13 23:35, PoM wrote:
no you re right it s there on ace, but the saw is already a mess so hard to retrgier it and get a peak like this.
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Turn off Drift, then turn on Reset on VCO1 and voila. Also Snap might be good for that.
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here is the version to play with the phase
use lfo 2 as osc (connect it with the filter). set it to saw. use the phaseknob.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Dec 14, 2011 16:08
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Snappyness comes from a fast decay time time on the ADSR that modulates the LPF, a relatively high modulation index and slower attack times on the compressor that compresses the bass.
Some synths are better than others. But I have no problem getting snappy bass tones from Trillian.
I still haven't used Sylenth for bass. Will try that one out on the next track.
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aciduss
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Posted : Dec 14, 2011 17:01
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Equilizyme you need a different kind of distortion. Try Quadrafuzz or Audio Damage Kombinat. Also your bassline first note seems too high fq compared to the following ones looks kinda weird (wonder how it sounds).
Hey DH welcome to the topic 
Yeah I know the importance of snappy filter envelopes on synth and comp but in this case we talk about how changing the phase start position can produce different transient results affecting the character of the bass "click" sound.
Maybe this is not that important, there are tons of good sounding basslines with different waveform results, I was just intrigued on how this particular bass was tweaked.
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demoniac
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Posted : Dec 14, 2011 17:33
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Equilizyme
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Posted : Dec 14, 2011 22:38
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thanks all - i use mac so i will try kombinat tonight. I hope that works cuz i have been dicking with settings on the envelope for some time and no results. But yeah the overdrives i have been using recently yes they help with the high freq content but I dont like what they do to the lows.
If it is of interest ableton's operator is great for modulating the start phase of the waveform, and it gives you a visual of the start phase too:
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 15, 2011 00:06
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On 2011-12-14 16:08, disco hooligans wrote:
I still haven't used Sylenth for bass. Will try that one out on the next track.
Peace out.
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be sure to give a try to zebra as well, i didin t like it at all for bassline but since the last updates it s quiet good ,it suprised me to retry it for bass and got great result, i get more driving bass out of zebra than ace thanks to the flexibilty.
caractere sound very close to latest tron tune i heard lacremosa tron vs glitch to get a idea, it could be any synths offcourse but the bass out of zebra sound very similar wihtout much processing..
both sylenth and zebra bass can sound quiet similar and have that little plastic thing like on the tron track, but zebra sound more huge and 3d imo than sylenth, the mseg envelop are also mroe flexible makign it easier to get a good drive, the xml lp4 filter is quiet good too ,the trick is to get the right oscillator mode and waveform |
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