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eMpTy
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Posted : Mar 22, 2004 00:48
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Has any one tried putting a gate on the bassline and have it controled by side chain from the kick track. It is called ducking and when the kick plays it closes the gate on the bass ensuring there is none to get muddled with the kick.
Superglue I always use mono for bass, seeing as it is pretty omni directional and I only have one subwoofer and is in the corner of the room.
BTW there is no such thing as true mono on vsti. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 22, 2004 17:06
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eMpTy
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Posted : Mar 22, 2004 22:47
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Colin, I don't know if you read the thread on the other forum re AU vs VST but the author Marc from destroy FX was saying VST are not mono instruments basically meaning that if you are using it for mono (which is possible as you correctly pointed out C) but the VST is using twice the cpu cycles than it needs to because it still processes in stereo.
I think I could have worded it a bit better. "True mono" what the hell was I talking about. |
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Mike A
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 00:46
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On 2004-03-22 00:48, eMpTy wrote:
Has any one tried putting a gate on the bassline and have it controled by side chain from the kick track. It is called ducking and when the kick plays it closes the gate on the bass ensuring there is none to get muddled with the kick.
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Yes, I started using that using the TC Works compressor that comes in the native pack. Seems to work fine - the bass is there but it doesn't peak and sounds ok 
I also know Trip- uses that, but in logic.
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Thanks
Maybe I'll add some more.
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On 2004-03-17 05:51, thockin wrote:
This makes the bass POP and immediately fade away. It's so fast you just hear it as a well defined bass note.
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I personally don't like to use it, because then you can't have control on the length of it using note length. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 02:36
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On 2004-03-22 22:47, eMpTy wrote:
Colin, I don't know if you read the thread on the other forum re AU vs VST but the author Marc from destroy FX was saying VST are not mono instruments basically meaning that if you are using it for mono (which is possible as you correctly pointed out C) but the VST is using twice the cpu cycles than it needs to because it still processes in stereo.
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Actually I took it to mean that it is not possible to use the same plugin for stereo processing as it is for mono without using twice the CPU cycles, since VST plugins do not have the ability to redefine their I/O capabilities according to need, as AU plugins can. However he also said that this is why some developers (eg. Waves) make mono versions of their plugins, so that (as long as the user choses the correct version for their needs and does not simply go for the stereo version every time) available CPU power can be used in as efficient a way as possible.
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ThiaGOA
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 21:57
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I know that a bit of delay on the BL can make it smoother, but I wonder if effects like chorus,flanger, or any other could improve anything, or could it make it worse.. Pls share experience
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 23:37
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generaly you want as much energy from the low end as possible so you want both speakers in a stereo setup to contribute to this energy.,
you also want this energy to be constant in pressure.,
so you want both speakers to play the same bass energy at the same time with maximum loudness.,
chorus and flanger will make holes in your spectrum and there is a big chance they will eat a big chunk out of the bass., so it's not a good idea to use a fat chorus on your bassline
you also need to watch out with stereo effect., they distribute energy in time and place (left-right) so the speakers will reproduce the bass less efficiently.,
so rule number one.,
leave the low end of the bassline mono and
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don't use time based effects (chorus,flanger) on the low end
but you can change rule number 2 a little.,
if you practice enough you can use any effect on the bassline., you just need to work very carefully and use original ideas.,
grts.,
aka.,
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Chromatone-R
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Posted : Mar 28, 2004 01:51
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i copy pasted all the posts hope there are some usefull tips.
try to put the kick and the bass line in one group chanell and add a lite distortion,this also means you will have to do a new mixdown of these two,but do not touch the eq if you have a tendency to transpose,only cutt off the hi freq. and if you are good with the synth settings you wont need the eq.i ussualy do not put the bass over the kick note,otherwise it would demand some compression.
toca-chromatoner
just to tell something i do
hope this helps
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Bazzara
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Posted : Mar 28, 2004 11:10
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I hard Comprass the kick and give it middum
low freq on the EQ and soft Comprass the bass and give it a low freq (some reverb or decreasing stereo sometimes)
is it ok? its sounds good but i wanna know what u guys think... |
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Mike A
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Posted : Mar 28, 2004 12:31
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If it sounds good, then good.
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Mar 31, 2004 19:02
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Hi everyone, I am using Reason right now. I am usually using Subtractor for my basslines. My question goes about the waveform produced. In most professional tracks the waveform is perfect. Usually, if the artists uses a sine waveform, in one 1/16 note you can distinguish four full sine waves with the same exact amplitude.
Also I have seen this with the sawtooth wave form and a sine waveform together.
I am also heading to Cubase and I wanted to know good softsynths to produce basslines
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Mar 31, 2004 19:11
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use samples.,., they are perfect every time.,.,
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Te_nTe
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Posted : Mar 31, 2004 19:14
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listen to what zildoggo said - 100 percent true |
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Mar 31, 2004 19:21
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I could use samples, but I want to learn how to make them from scratch so I can become more creative  Thanks for the tip. |
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Mar 31, 2004 20:02
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how do you know the artists do not use a sample of a sine wave or a saw wave?.,
but i dont understand what you mean by perfect?.,
you can synthesize a sine or saw with any synthesizer or sampler.
the ammount of waves depends on frequency.
if you want exactly 4 per 1/16th note then you need to calculate the frequency for the tempo you use.,
the level depends on envelopes settins.,
grts,
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