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meeka
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Posted : Mar 16, 2004 02:28
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can someone explain what is essential in this 16th full on bass that most of today full on tracks have. no matter how hard i try i cant get that same feeling in the bassline which i see many projects have achieved |
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UIU
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Posted : Mar 16, 2004 04:03
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I've noticed that Mike A hasn't used full 1/16th notes for the bassline. It seems like he has cut about 1/64th from the end of the note. Is that a good tip? Do you guyz do that? |
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thockin
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Posted : Mar 16, 2004 04:50
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I almost always end up with notes that are not quite a full 16th. The reson is that you have a release phase on almost every synth. Very few synths let you have 0 release, and if you do, you get pops.
So I set up my ADSR like this, usually:
Attack: 0
Decay: about 1/32nd note
Sustain: about 50%
Release: as fast as possible without clicking
Then I end the note after 3/4 of 16th note, which gives time for the level to drop before the next note. |
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katam
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Posted : Mar 16, 2004 05:37
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On 2004-03-16 04:50, thockin wrote:
I almost always end up with notes that are not quite a full 16th. The reson is that you have a release phase on almost every synth. Very few synths let you have 0 release, and if you do, you get pops.
So I set up my ADSR like this, usually:
Attack: 0
Decay: about 1/32nd note
Sustain: about 50%
Release: as fast as possible without clicking
Then I end the note after 3/4 of 16th note, which gives time for the level to drop before the next note.
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You are right....on the virus for instance if you make a bass and set the release on 0 you get a slight pop which gets fixed if you set the release on 2......
now correct me if im wrong:
when you are playing a 1/16 bassline it doesnt mean all the notes you are playing are 1/16 long (i mean the length of the note itself), i like making some notes shorter than other notes and that way i get a more human feel to the bassline....try playing around with that..... |
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motorik
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Posted : Mar 16, 2004 08:17
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@SuperGlue
i do my BL in mono it feels more powerful and
less messy IMO.
I make sure to take the pan and put it in the center(both channels) if it's a vsti that comes to the mixer trough a stereo channel.
i don't know if thats the way but it sound much more powerful on mono.
Use the sequencers inspector to control notes length if you can get it trough envelope.
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Mike A
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Posted : Mar 16, 2004 11:47
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On 2004-03-16 04:03, UIU wrote:
I've noticed that Mike A hasn't used full 1/16th notes for the bassline. It seems like he has cut about 1/64th from the end of the note. Is that a good tip? Do you guyz do that?
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Indeed. Like thocik said, each synth has a release time. I make it shorter so the actual audio won't overlap, getting ugly peaks and too much bass. It's also good to leave a bit of no-bass between bass notes so it won't sound like one low hum, but as seprate notes.
Best way is to experiment, see what note length sounds best. When making bassline lengths, use 1/64 res or even 1/128 to see what works best for you.
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Mar 16, 2004 12:43
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i put on my bass: filter , distortion,maxxbass, compressor, eq and sometimes reverb. after all this chain I get a really big bass!
* try to change the length comp. in the midi track parameters of the bass`s vst.
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UIU
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Posted : Mar 17, 2004 04:44
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If the bass does not coincide with the kick, do I still need to eq the bass so that it won't interfere with the kick's frequencies and vice versa? |
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UIU
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Posted : Mar 17, 2004 04:56
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A tip for compressing the bass is set the threshold and ratio very very high to help you find the right attack and release time. |
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Mar 17, 2004 05:06
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taking about lenghts of notes, sometimes you can do nice stuff doing some variations in notes lenghts, gives much more interest to bassline
and as mike said, you don't need to do the whole 16 notes, and I never put bass at same time as kick
and superglue, i always use mono, unless i'm using a vst that just plays stereo...
also try and set filter attack to zero, sustain to medium/low value, release to near zero or even zero, and with decay control speed/time of frequency going down until you find the right spot, so it guives some punch (attack 0) and then goes down (decay time), kinda like a natural Bass would sound....
experiment... |
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YAC
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Posted : Mar 17, 2004 05:23
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Mike A
you are the Mutha F#&*(N---man
the screen shots are a great way to teach people who have no idea what the hell you are saying....That is ABSOLUTEY BRILLIANT MIKE
I dont have any idea what modulation or ligato means...lol..but i do know what i want to hear and where it goes..!!
oh yea and its not a good idea to go to the supermarket hungry...take my word for it
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YAC
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Posted : Mar 17, 2004 05:44
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thockin,
you have helped in realising why my sound is always "popping" and "cracking" this has been a major dilemma for me for some time...
Man, I can believe how helpful this topic has become
thanks |
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thockin
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Posted : Mar 17, 2004 05:51
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Another ADSR technique is to use
Attack: 0
Decay: 1/16th note or slightly less
Sustain: 0
Release: 0
This makes the bass POP and immediately fade away. It's so fast you just hear it as a well defined bass note.
Note that with this technique, you can't hold a note longer than 1/16th since there is no sustain.
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Psyghost
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Posted : Mar 18, 2004 15:30
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Now a topic like this for kiks would rock !!!
examples and good screen shots
and what time signature is being used...
See when i put my sequences in 1/16
then back to 4/4 the patterns i draw for that sequence in matrix edit
are short or to long on a different track with a different insturment.
Inka
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