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Mike A
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Posted : Mar 11, 2004 22:15
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jon
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Posted : Mar 11, 2004 23:53
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hmmm thanks for remarks on the L2... Ill try using a different compressor and see if I get better results (although L2 seemed to work ok to my ears)....
I agree about avoiding eq to some extent.... but for basslines it is a bit different I think - often the patch you like has high frequency components (like the click in the vb1) that you want to attenuate.... eq does the job.
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solipt1c
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Posted : Mar 12, 2004 00:50
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yes , true
to remove the low from a designated "high bassline", or high from a "low bassline, some spectral roll-off will probably be needed
but i find filters do it in a more 'characterful' way .... which also lends itself well to automation for more interesting sound development. just my preference i guess 
as for L2 - its only BADLY noticable on deep pure sine wave style subs . but, yeah, i find other things will sound a lot better. my recommendation - tc compressor (in vst native bundle 3.0). it adds that slightest hint of 'drive' and grit in the bassline, but in a really really nice way... not really percievable as distortion at all... certainly not digital sounding distortion... just more warmth and beef. and compresses well at the same time! the various 'analog' settings are particularly good for this. i nearly always add a bit of this to my bass now |
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AtOm
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Posted : Mar 14, 2004 14:11
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Hey Mike ..
full on dude...
both killer eXamples ...
good advice for de bass line prog*
tried them out with diff bass sounds ..
and diff lengths, velocitys & transpose also...
for sure de xamples did help ...
keep up de nice work...  |
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CLAW
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Posted : Mar 14, 2004 15:57
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katam
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Posted : Mar 14, 2004 17:41
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Does anybody here use his virus for making a bassline?
What i do is use one oscillator , triangle....give it a little punch and using a High pass filter i twist the cutoff and resonance until i get the result im looking for.
My questions are:
1.Does anyone use the virus eq?
2.What do u guys do when u make a bassline sound on a virus?
oh btw:
I have a virus indigo redback....but i think the older versions are pretty much similar.
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Prototype
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Posted : Mar 14, 2004 18:55
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Does anybody here use his virus for making a bassline?
I want to know that too- I got a Virus KB and i yet haven't used in any of my tracks a bassline from the virus.
And i know his bassline is rocks so if someone doing it- please help! also about EQ- where is the HP filters and the LP filters? where i can configure those settings?
again please help, thanks in advance. |
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katam
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 05:13
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i dont about the kb but in my virus i have two lines of the top right of my virus...they are the lines that configure which filter is working. |
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Prototype
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 08:29
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sure, but where i'm setting it to start cut in the frequency i want?
if i want to do a low cut in 60hz for example, |
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jon
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 12:18
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cutoff frequency on the virus is numbered from 0 to 127 hehe.
A large frequency in Hz wouldnt fit on the display I think.
I think you could write a rough table of which value corresponds to which frequency..using a 4 pole LPF and a saw wave and a spectrum analyzer..... shame the chart is not in the manual but it isnt.
Usually I wouldnt use the virus like this anyway : I would tune the cutoff by ear to some rough value, then I would perform the mixing tasks (eg EQ cut at 60Hz which you refer to) in AUDIO using a software EQ or filter.
PS: actually freq do fit on the display! you can change the onboard EQ of the virus by using the Effects Menu (hit Edit and change the parameter). But this isn't what you want I think.
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Kitnam
Mantik
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 14:01
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@katam
i often tried to make a bassline with the virus b, but i think (for myself only, its everything an indiviual view, so it could rule different for you or others) the virus is not realy good for doing basslines. this synth is too hectical and too dynamicly, its very hard to control it to a constant strong waveform which is basslineconform, better try a synth which is more static and not so overloaded with LFO and variation-paramaters.
@all
i cant ad some "rules" here, i think everyone has to find the own style and workflow for a creation of a successfull great sounding bassline. im a saw-wave lover for example i like the basslines sounding like a motorcycle - you know ? (no im no harley davidsen fan - i dont care about motorcycles and hells angels  ) .
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i always try 100 of eq-settings before i got the right one(sometimes i think i need 50 different parametic-eq at the same time), and i always optimize and change the mixing (which means functionally EQ-Setting of the basstrack) of the bassline while i just try to set some bongos for example and just think:"oh, the bassline is a little bit to loud in the mid-range..." or something else. but i know that i have always different eq-settings at different basslines.
the chance of gettinging a good bassline grows up with the time you sit behind it (you can take this for a rule - yes - but some day you will have the perfect line after 3 minutes maybe..)
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its always hard for me, and i think you also know that: making a bassline for a bassline but ignoring the kick.
if you have bad kick, the best bassline wont help. its like brother and sister, like leg and left leg. you need both of them, and this is important: you have to connect them in a right way.
if you have the most fat killer bassline downloaded from the marsalien-bassline-server and you have the ultimate power overkill burning bassdrum/kick and you connect them to a sub-area, it can be that it will sound horrible with each-other. so if you think the bassline is shit, always think too:"is my kick maybe the wrong one?" -
locate the exact point what in the line is sounding bad, why it is bad? why should i recuce? maybe its the kick which is phasing wrong with the bassline (see OOODs post)?
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adding reverb (small room,tiny room) can often give the last perfection-note on the bassline you had searched for.
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pushing the sum after reducing is better then pushing the sum at one HZ-area. mostly the bad frequences are the roots of a bad bassline, if you cut them out you have made the bassline sounding good with just some small but exactly done frequency cuts.
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EYB
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 17:19
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Very useful tips Ketam. Thanks
I agree with your "no rulez" theory fully !
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 18:30
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On 2004-03-15 14:01, Kitnam wrote:
@katam
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its always hard for me, and i think you also know that: making a bassline for a bassline but ignoring the kick.
if you have bad kick, the best bassline wont help. its like brother and sister, like leg and left leg. you need both of them, and this is important: you have to connect them in a right way.
if you have the most fat killer bassline downloaded from the marsalien-bassline-server and you have the ultimate power overkill burning bassdrum/kick and you connect them to a sub-area, it can be that it will sound horrible with each-other. so if you think the bassline is shit, always think too:"is my kick maybe the wrong one?" -
locate the exact point what in the line is sounding bad, why it is bad? why should i recuce? maybe its the kick which is phasing wrong with the bassline (see OOODs post)?
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I think this is THe most important thing in here so far
The best bassline with a shitty kick is worth nothing, but if its the proper kick, the bassline won't even need to be that powerfull....
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motorik
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 21:58
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I use C4 band compressor on my BL,
i compress the mid-low range and cut the sub and the high frequencies.
I don't like too much dynamics in my BL ,i like it constant and solid, but the ones who likes dynamic BL can use a delay with low feedback and 35% to 45% delay mix.
Motorik "one good thing about music is when it hits you , you feel no pain" - Bob Marley |
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katam
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 23:07
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just wanted to say thanx mantik .....this is turning out to be one of the most potent topics so far  . |
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