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Bassline sounds out of tune when solo'd with kick
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roigt0r
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Posted : Apr 15, 2009 07:52:18
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I'm getting the hang of making a decent bassline but one thing I can't seem to figure out is why it tends to sound out of tune when solo'd with the kick. As soon as there's enough leads or percussion going on over it, the problem disappears. It seems to get worse as I EQ and compress depending on where I cut or boost but is present even with no FX applied. I've made sure the kick is in tune and even remade it a few times to make sure. I'm also careful not to cut anywhere on the bass that's the frequency of the key I'm in.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Apr 15, 2009 08:08
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http://www.samplerchan.com/
C-tuner... what you use for bass? no detuning or accendently put it on uneven semitone? anyway check it with C-tuner...
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roigt0r
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Posted : Apr 15, 2009 08:14
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I'm using Albino at the moment but every one I've tried has given me this problem. Tried sampling as well, with similar results.
I'll check out C Tuner thanks.
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roigt0r
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Posted : Apr 15, 2009 09:27
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Hmm tried the tuner.
If I play G0 for example and hold it down, the tuner starts at F# and then quickly goes up to G.
I tried seeing how the tuner would react while just playing the bassline to the track and it seemed to be pretty steady on G0. When it goes up to G1 it's a little flat but still not that bad.
And after doing the test the problem seemed to go away...kind of like going to the doctor and feeling fine once you get to the clinic! Maybe my ears are just sensitive to the slight change in pitch when there's nothing but the bass and kick? |
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Tomos
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Posted : Apr 15, 2009 13:31
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You should call the track 'Aural illusion'
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roigt0r
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Posted : Apr 15, 2009 13:33
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Haha good call!
Unfortunately I just listened to it again after a break on my in-ear headphones which emphasize the bass quite a bit. It's still there.  It's also happening even with stuff going on over top, I just wasn't noticing it before. The low G is fairly stable but G1 seems to be way flat...I just can't figure it out. I was having the same troubles with the last track I was working on and never really fixed. Gonna go over it again tomorrow. |
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"42"
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Posted : Apr 15, 2009 13:48
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Apr 15, 2009 14:43
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hey, I've had this too.
I found in my case it was related to the filter envelope, basically shutting either to far, or too fast, or both 
trying letting a little more tops through the filter, just for arguments sake, even if it isn't the sound you want, and see if that gets rid of the issue?
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Nectarios
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Posted : Apr 15, 2009 14:54
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Check to see that you have no severe notch subtractive EQ going on, in ranges where the fundamental and/or its overtones are. And move around the room. I had the same problem for F notes in my room, but as soon as I got out of my monitoring position, the bassline sounded more in tune than when I was sitting in my monitoring position.
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gutter
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Posted : Apr 15, 2009 15:04
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On 2009-04-15 14:54, pipe&slippers wrote:
Check to see that you have no severe notch subtractive EQ going on, in ranges where the fundamental and/or its overtones are. And move around the room. I had the same problem for F notes in my room, but as soon as I got out of my monitoring position, the bassline sounded more in tune than when I was sitting in my monitoring position.
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bad monitoring = bad eq , maybe not a disaster but still a lot of possibilities to go wrong, especially down there.. F kick asses, powerful note
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jizy
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Posted : Apr 15, 2009 16:49
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On 2009-04-15 14:43, Speakafreaka wrote:
hey, I've had this too.
I found in my case it was related to the filter envelope, basically shutting either to far, or too fast, or both
trying letting a little more tops through the filter, just for arguments sake, even if it isn't the sound you want, and see if that gets rid of the issue?
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thas what i wus gunna say
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Freeflow
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Posted : Apr 16, 2009 01:25
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my head is out of tune, can i fix it in the filter envelopes? i think i need to cut the release and have a very very long attack!!
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Apr 16, 2009 03:57
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Freeflow
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Posted : Apr 16, 2009 06:22
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On 2009-04-16 01:25, Freeflow wrote:
my head is out of tune, can i fix it in the filter envelopes? i think i need to cut the release and have a very very long attack!!
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On 2009-04-16 03:57, Speakafreaka wrote:
who can say man?
just don't come crying when you have a nasty cutoff accident!
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Hahaha 
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Elad
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Posted : Apr 16, 2009 11:32
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F kick asses, powerful note
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they all are , if you actualy notice big diffrences either the synth sux or the room is... , i cant remember on my guitar i ever thought one note is any better then others its all about the context and good synth patch sounds good all throu 2-3 octaves minimum.
very easy to find if your room sux just use pure sine on sub freqs and play with notes.. if one sounds bigger or lower then usualy thats the case (eq's off)
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