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dj chichke
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 21:00:50
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I started new track that is started at A minor. And changing to Cminor. offfcourse that the bassline sounds a bit thiner at C. so i thought should if it's possible to get good bassline at C as good as at A? i think most of the tracks are between F-A at the scale. what do you think? is that a problem to make a realy good bassline at C? |
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sp0ok
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Posted : Sep 8, 2009 07:57
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I think you can make a really good bassline on any scale. Someone correct me if I am wrong
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 8, 2009 08:53
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According to the fequency of the bass note that is being played there really are differences.
D1 36.71
D#1 38.89
E1 41.20
F1 43.65
F#1 46.25
G1 49.00
G#1 51.91
A1 55.00
A#1 58.27
B1 61.74
C2 65.41
C#2 69.30
D2 73.42
D#2 77.78
E2 82.41
F2 87.31
F#2 92.50
G2 98.00
G#2 103.83
If you listen to the sine waves of those frequencies you may get a better idea which note range still is nice for a fat and vibrating bass.
I cut my bass bellow 45Hz with a very steep filter, since I realized that everything bellow 50Hz is only causing speakers (also PAs) to distort. I prefer a really low and full bass so I try not to go over 70Hz. So depending on your taste a reasonable range for bass could be F1-D2.
You have to realize that if you want to make a bassline on "E" you either have to go down to 41Hz or up to 82Hz, if you make your mass on E1 it means that on most speakers you will not hear the 41Hz of the bass but mainly the first harmonic which is 82Hz. Even subwoofers have trouble with 40Hz basslines, they need a lot of energy to transmit it and it's likely that the run into their limits. Also really big ones.
Or if you make the bass on E2 you will lack to low end which you might get by using a subharmonic bass enhancer that adds the 41Hz, or simply by adding an E1 sinewave bassline to it. But E really can be hard to get working for a bassline.
So my answer: If you want that kind of deep, vibrating, shaking bassline, then you can't use any scale.
A trick that is being done very often to overcome that is to use a fat and low kick which is very long. Almost 3/4. So most of the deep and fat bass comes from the kick. the bassline then can be on any scale that fits the kick more or less. Full-On often has such bass. Really low and long kick that makes the WOOM and very audible bassline that is not creating a lot of the vibration and such. I don't like that and that's why my answer is of course only for my taste of bass. People with different preferences will have different opinions.
Hope that helps.
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yveusss
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Posted : Sep 8, 2009 15:41
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@scm: nice post!  |
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dj chichke
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Posted : Sep 8, 2009 18:13
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thanks man. if coulden't expect for a better answer.
so if you mentioned the kick i have also a question about it. how much should i cut from the low frequencies of the kick? |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 9, 2009 16:52
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I have both bass and kick on a group and cut that group with cambridge EQ at about 45HZ witht he steepest filter available in that plugin, which is very steep, the steepest I have ever seen in a plugin.
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gabmecr
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Posted : Sep 9, 2009 17:34
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A trick that is being done very often to overcome that is to use a fat and low kick which is very long. Almost 3/4. So most of the deep and fat bass comes from the kick.
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osom (: |
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dj chichke
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Posted : Sep 9, 2009 17:45
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cambridge is part of UAD? |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 9, 2009 18:45
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 9, 2009 18:47
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Bleja
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Posted : Sep 9, 2009 19:22
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sonox and waves req2 will do the job.. |
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ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 02:14
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On 2009-09-09 18:47, subconsciousmind wrote:
but I'm sure there are native eqs for that too. maybe sonnox.
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Indeed, but Sonnox lacks this steep filter(I guess it is the GML one). 
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PsYmOrPh
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 12:38
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well i have one question too, but the question is similar to this so i will not make another thread, so..
In two different scales of bassline in the same track, how can i use different equalizations?? do i need to have 2intruments loaded?? |
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dj chichke
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 13:23
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i think to have 2 other instrument is the better option. but you can also do it with 2 eq with automation on the bypass or 1 eq with automation on it's nobs that are changing when the bassline is changing. |
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smehoparanoya
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 16:25
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bounce them to wave files
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