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Bassline octav volume drop problem
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Ruffon
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Posted : Mar 26, 2015 16:49:33
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Hey dear isratrancearians
Got a little problem with a bassline and wondered if u may could help .....
would like to do a funky bassline which is on d1 and plays and the Wav looks good in the editor .... but when it plays along and does it note jumping stuff and reaches d2 there is a significant drop in volume hearable and seeable in the wav aswell.. is there any possiblity to do something there? Should the quiter notes be programmed (the a,b&c are not so loud aswell) in an extra patch? or should they get an extra efx treatment like compression or a limiter or something like that? or should such jumps be avoided in a "serious" melodic full on trance production?
thanks and cheers in advance
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knocz
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Posted : Mar 26, 2015 18:20
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First thing first: any EQ or similar that's "killing" your frequencies at D2? 
I assume you are using a synth, and what might be happening is you have fine tuned your filter cutoff frequency to taste, but it's "static", when it should actually move with the played note. In this case, you are moving up in the notes, but your harmonics are getting higher and the filter is cutting them off.
Solution: keytrack on the filter frequency
Or, hack away, and use keytrack on the amp volume, or compress it out. But, I'd like to find the actual cause of the issue and fix it, then trying to apply remedies later one - fix it at the source.
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routingwithin
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Posted : Mar 27, 2015 11:13
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Difficult to say without knowing what processing you have done to the bassline so far. It could be a number of things.
Many times I have heard as I play the bass notes on my keyboard that some notes have more bass or amplitude than others. Most of the times it was a resonating frequency (around 200hz) that was amplified when on that specific note. You have to take into account like knocz said, every key change needs to be processed differently especially on bass. i.e if you have a bass on F2 and cut out 400hz - getting a nice sound - then when you move up a few semitones the frequencies shift. And what you cut out on 400hz making it sound nice have now shifted up the spectrum to maybe 600hz.
Also make sure you're not boosting too much of a frequency area on an EQ. Again when you change key the fundamental frequency that you boosted for D1 also will shift as you move to D2 - giving a lower overall amplitude.
You can also export to WAV and control the volume of each individual re-sampled recording, leveling the waveform, however if its something I mentioned before, then this time, D1 will be lower in volume, lol.
Stop watching the DB meters and start listening - forget about both should be @ -12db. Level the sound with your ears, then check the DB meters and you may find the problem this way. If one is way louder on the meters, but sounding leveled out the speakers, then its a probably a resonating frequency singing in the background.
If all else fails, I would go for compression, very fast attack, fast release and squash some dynamics until they want to become friends. don't over do it, but also don't under do it. haha
Cheers
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Ruffon
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Posted : Mar 27, 2015 12:36
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thanks for the fast replies.
sometimes the most obvious .... had an eq notch at the d2... so the main volume drop problem is solved
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if I interpret your posts right than it would be better do eq the d2 because the frequencies are shifting to much ....
se second channel just for the d2 
does this occurs only with a whole key or on a,b or c aswell?
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NEBULOsity
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Posted : Mar 27, 2015 14:44
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If you have still problem with this you can sample all notes and put them into different tracks. You can apply EQ on specific notes and of course every other effects that you want. In the end you group all track in one and use group EQ or Compression to glue them together. I prefer to use limiter instead of compressor.
This way is more time consuming but you have better control  . Btw I thing that someone here mentioned this solution recently .
I hope it helps!
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routingwithin
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Posted : Mar 27, 2015 15:29
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On 2015-03-27 12:36, Ruffon wrote:
if I interpret your posts right than it would be better do eq the d2 because the frequencies are shifting to much ....
se second channel just for the d2
does this occurs only with a whole key or on a,b or c aswell?
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Every note - A,E,B,C etc will have it's fundamental on different frequencies. see chart below
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_key_frequencies
NEBULOsity said it. You can resample every note, put each in its own channel and apply different processing. Not from scratch. Process your root note, then copy the effects chain to the others and do minor tweaks for every note - so you're still keeping the overall bass sound consistent and sounding the same.
You can also compose the track completely - then export the key changes.. then process.
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Xsze
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Posted : Mar 27, 2015 17:33
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Hypereal
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Posted : Mar 27, 2015 19:01
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Too much overthinking and overcomplicating.First of all - problem thats usually dismissed is sound acoustics.Second - keep it simple in terms of processing.Third - just watch this entire video www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRxZ_nldKKM |
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Hypereal
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Posted : Mar 27, 2015 19:12
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ansolas
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ansolas
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