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Bassline in E, masks lead!!!
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PsyGalaXy
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orgytime
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jizy
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Posted : Jun 20, 2009 16:12
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no lead shouldnt mask the bassline vise versa if each elemens are in there own space.
spend a day on Panning & spacing techniques
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realtime
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Posted : Jun 20, 2009 23:54
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sp0ok
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Posted : Jun 28, 2009 04:26
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On 2009-06-20 23:54, realtime wrote:
not E ... but EQ
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Aren't you saying that if EQ'd correctly Lead and Bass would sound distinct even if it was in the same key ? |
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Upavas
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0hz
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Posted : Jun 28, 2009 16:56
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post a link, let us have a listen. the problem could be anything....to much bass or to much high freq in the bassline... |
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PsyGalaXy
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Posted : Jun 28, 2009 17:33
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0hz
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Posted : Jun 29, 2009 21:35
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dude...the mix is a mess.
there is a problem with the high freq, some sort of roll off from 5.5khz.
the second sample has to much boomy freq and sound out of tune in the middle of the sample.
sorry i dont even know what advice to give you...
there are alot of problems in the mix...
about the masking of the lead by the bassline, i think that you have a problem with your monitoring environment.. maybe if you mix the high freq correctly then the masking will stop.
hope i helped... |
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jizy
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Posted : Jun 29, 2009 22:20
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trust me mate, bassnote e dont mask. try haasing the leads or one or maybe HAAS the kick alsong as u naarow the image and use a mono filter at the end of the chain
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PsyGalaXy
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 14:57
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0hz
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 18:27
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what monitors you have? if you have an eq in the monitors you should turn the highs down a bit.
also if your room lies to you then you should learn to work with a spectrum analyzer and phase scope.
also i would advice getting some good headphones for reference. |
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PsyGalaXy
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0hz
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Posted : Jul 1, 2009 02:58
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well in my book the tapco s8 are not very good monitors even in the cheap price range. the behringers 2031a are much better then tapco s8 in the cheap monitor price range.
anyway about your speaker position, if the monitors are 1m from the corner (wall) and 1.5m from your mixing spot then it puts you almost at the back wall, if i understand correctly. if thats the case then you should think about changing your monitor placement.
you should try to move the monitors closer to the front wall, about 40-50cm from the front wall and then lower the bass eq on the back of the monitors about 3db or more. and you should move your mixing spot closer to the monitors and away from the back wall.
your mixing spot should be about 38% of the length of the room from the front wall. for example if the length is 2.70m then you should sit about 1m from the front wall and the speakers should be about 20-40cm from the front wall (just dont forget to lower the bass eq on the monitors). the width of the speakers should be the same distance as you from the speakers, or +10,+15cm wider, depends how it will sound. also you should put some heavy absorbent material in the front corners, like rolled up carpet (rolled up in a tube), or something else that you can think of. anyway this placement that i suggested usually more appropriate for a small and untreated room like yours. in small untreated rooms its usually a good idea to move the speakers closer to the front wall and move your mixing spot closer to the speakers and as far away as possible from the back wall. also experiment with the speakers high, the high should also be 38% of the room high from the floor or from the celling, usually from the floor sounds better.
about the spectrum analyzer, you dont have to know how the pro track sounded before mastering, just look at the freq balance (tonal balance) and try to mix your track so that the freq balance would resemble (not match) the pro track. also if you use a pro mastered track for reference you can safely turn its volume by 8db or even 10db, remember that you not trying to match the loudness or the dynamics to the pro track, only the freq balance.
also now i understand why bassline in E sounds like it masking your lead. your room gos in to a mod at that freq and since you sit almost at the back wall you hear a shitload of bass and cant hear anything else clearly.
anyway good luck and think about getting some good open back headphones for reference.
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