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Substance/Atari.1
Substance / The Ataris
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Posted : Apr 23, 2007 07:32
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"Coff Coff" 
hmmmmm galactic monkey ehmmm ye try tau... u will get what u want... its a bit tricky but its all about the cutoff  |
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galactic monkey
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Posted : Apr 23, 2007 10:21
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thanks very much substance appreciate it bro!i love your sound by the way it fuckin rocks!
peace
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Apr 23, 2007 20:59
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On 2007-04-22 16:10, UnderTow wrote:
shamantrixx, if you really think your arrogant attitude is the most gentle way of arguing, you really have deeper issues than I suspected. |
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To be able to argue we have to have different view about same thing. Obviously I have a different view and I use arguments and quotes as a tool for advocating my point of view. So I wonder... how it could possibly be done in more gentle way? Maybe you can make an example? I'm willing to change my strategy if you have a better one.
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Also, associating everyone in a nation with the actions of the leaders of those nations is naive beyond belief. |
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Weapons are quite expensive and money for weapons is coming from everyone in a nation by tax collecting. Also everyone has agreed that we will let out leaders to represent our "will" and we pay them to do that.
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- you choose your leaders
- you pay them to make your decisions
- you provide them with enough money to buy weapons and use them
- you (or someone next to you) choose to serve take weapons and "defend" your country in some other country.
I'm sorry but how can you possibly disassociate your self from a war being fight with your agreement, financial support and in some cases even with an active participation?
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On 2007-04-22 16:10, UnderTow wrote:
As you come form ex-Yugoslavia maybe we should all assume you are like Slobodan Milošević? (Yes I know he is Serbian but you get my point I'm sure). |
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The world is not a bad place because of few "bad" people but rather because good people fail to stop those few.
So we're not all like Slobodan Milosevic, but we're no better than he is. Because if we ware any better we would not let him to do what he had done. He never held a rifle in his hand or fired a cannon. WE did that for him! All wars are like that. WE fight in their wars and we pay them. Both in money and blood. It's our fault all the way. The fact that he was held responsible in the court of "law" does not make the rest of us "free of charge". Far from it!
 "It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 23, 2007 21:49
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Wow. You amaze me Slobodan (Your new nickname).
How can someone be so wrong about so many things...
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mk47
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Posted : Apr 23, 2007 22:16
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still waiting to hear a snippet of shamantrixx`s music here .. cmon dude 
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master bud
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Posted : Apr 24, 2007 00:27
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Wow. You amaze me Slobodan (Your new nickname).
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Hey man, this is really not my business, but you went a bit far when calling him 'Slobodan'. This is a national tragedy for Croatians, Serbs and Bosnian people and this forum wouldn't necessary the place for arguments such like this.
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Saf
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This forum is completely useless and stupid at least 30% of the time.
I've learned a lot here, but I honestly think about never coming back at least once per visit, because it's always:
- Arguing about random shit
- Telling people who are just learning they're unoriginal or lame in some form or another in their methods to learn.
- Obsessing over basslines, which honestly only makes up like 10% of writing the fucking music.
- Ranting about how the the latest sample pack or synth is going to make all psytrance sound the same, when frankly everyone knows it almost all does already, and it doesn't matter.
- Complaining about what other people are doing in their tracks, or in popular tracks, stopy/starty, same basslines etc, and how that is ruining psytrance.
Blah blah blah
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ess765
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Posted : Apr 24, 2007 04:40
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The world is not a bad place because of few "bad" people but rather because good people fail to stop those few.
So we're not all like Slobodan Milosevic, but we're no better than he is. Because if we ware any better we would not let him to do what he had done. He never held a rifle in his hand or fired a cannon. WE did that for him! All wars are like that. WE fight in their wars and we pay them. Both in money and blood. It's our fault all the way. The fact that he was held responsible in the court of "law" does not make the rest of us "free of charge". Far from it!
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1.000.000.000 hours applausing this statement woul still be not enough. Great point man.
Undertow and shamantrixx,
I ve been reading this thread, since the beggining and I finally couldn t avoid writing some opinions:
1 - Anyone here has the right to ask for anything no matter how silly he will seem to be...
2 - Any other one will have the right to do any coment to the question so freely as the guy who asked. We have a popular phrase in Brazil that says: "poor questions deserve poor answers".
Undertow,
with all my respect concerning some nice knowledge you have for music, I d say that your political and filosofic views are can't even begin a discussion with shamantrixx. Everytime the subject was not music his points are 1 000 times deeper and correct than yours. The opposite should work for music knowledge. Your music and production knowledge seems to be 1000 more accurated than his. THat doesn t means that he should be so rude at the beggining. About that I agree with you.
shamantrixx,
you did only one mistake from everything you said so far: you began your posts here in a too rude way, and you could had been more smooth.
Maybe your second mistake (which is not a mistake exactly) would be to post such complex statements in a music forum. The chances for you to be understood were so low. But I really liked some points you wrote. All my respect for your inteligence no matter how bad could your music sound (just kidding in the case you re a newbbie producer). But I d defionetlly would like to hear from you.
Now here s my opinion on the subject of asking how do we produce a bassline like 12 monkeys ( I don t know why but I think people added one extra monkey at the track s name please confirm it at this link http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/pho/pho1cd322.html)
I never felt like the problem is to discuss or teach how to make someone s sounds. The problem is to give people the answer so easily that he d never learn how to think about it by his self.
When someone asks me how to do a synth sound I d rather tell him which kind of path to follow than simply telling him which synth to choose, each setting precise values, etc...So I d tell him: oh this seems to be a gentle filter cutoof, maybe some saw oscilator, tweak the resonance, etc.
So I d encourage him to experiment. I d make him put his hands on the synth, learn by his own where to go by trying not by simply following a complete manual guide with all settings ready to go.
Since the first this topic s begin, I felt like Galactic monkey was a lazy guy asking people to give him a ready formula to do what he suddenly wanted to know. That s not a fault, but its too easy and convenient to ask a question here go to bed, sllep untill someone brings him the formula. He ll never learn the most important: to learn a synth s operatation overview so that next time he won t need to ask ot maybe we ll be able to produce his original stuff.
I never felt in shamantrixxs words the the seek for being original. I think he meant that you got to learn to do by yourself.
Example: the viagra (which is a top seller revolution in medicine s market) was developed while a heart disease medicine research was on test developement. If someone had the ready formula to that heart disease, this medicine wouldn t been done.
It might look so simple and so weird my example. But if Galactic monkey simply had the answer for his question from the first post of a member from isratrance, he d move on to his next question without having learned how to manipulate the synths comand knobs for this or any other sound wanted.
Can you imagine how nice sounds can we create while trying to do another sound? Those aparent mistakes sometimes can make wonderfull results.
So my point would be always to encourage people to look for the sounds by their own, giving them general paths to follow not ready to go formulas so that tey re not learning, but only working on blind mode.
Please galactic monkey, understand that when I write this I really cara about you. I d never help with ready answers but I d love to help you to learn a little more about sound synthesis so that very soon you can produce any sound you want no matter if they look like other guy s or not.
My definition:
We don t need robot producers but curious and experimental scientists. That s how music can go on being developed.
Peace for us all. Respect for all nations and opinions. The world is too crowded for angry and hate. We should be friends here, once we produce music, and music is a peaceful weapon.
Ess765 (aka Physical Absence)
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ess765
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Posted : Apr 24, 2007 04:44
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By the way I m still laughing with a detail in this discussion:
Can you explain to me where does this extra monkey comes from?? Cause the tracks name is 12 monkeys, not 13 monkeys...at least so its said in psyshop s website.
http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/pho/pho1cd322.html)
Sorry if there are the 2 tracks....
Ess765 (aka Physical Absence)
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shamantrixx
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@ ess765:
No matter how low the odds may be it is always worth to try. This quote describes it quite well:
"Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the question, 'Is it politic?' Vanity asks the question, 'Is it popular?' But, conscience asks the question, 'Is it right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but one must take it because one's conscience tells one that it is right."
M. Luther King
So there is nothing I can lose and everything to gain. The worst thing is to get ignored, ridiculed or kicked out of the forum. When you consider that - it's really a small price for having some sense of meaning in your life, true freedom of thinking and a small chance to have clear conscience.
But in the end it rarely turns out that bad. Most of the time few manage to recognize truth and only few of that few dare to back it up. But it's reasonable to think that it will force some head scratching and that more than few will reconsider their system of believe.
They will form their own conclusions and decide how to adjust new values and believe system... perhaps many weeks from now. I don't seek agreement and I don't expect any credits. My only goal is to make people think with their own mind and make their own conclusions. Sometimes the only way to wake up a person is a "slap in the face".
And I forgive you for "blowing the whistle" to mark the end of the game with even split score. Since this game has a higher purpose and so far you are the only one willing to risk your reputation by backing up things that matter.
And always remember:
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."
M. Luther King
ps: like with all other forums the worst place for this effort would be a philosophical forum. For there is literally nobody able to recognize truth. Like someone has mentioned before... here you can hardly find anything related to music production.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Apr 24, 2007 06:34
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Wow. You amaze me Slobodan (Your new nickname).
How can someone be so wrong about so many things...
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You know, the time has come when I feel that I should thank you. In some peculiar sense you have provided the best argument against your self. I could never made such a point without your help.
I am sorry for every word of insult I've wrote to you. I don't have anything against you personally. Beyond this argument I'm truly sorry because the time will come when your own ambitions and ignorance will turn against you. I really hate to see any human being in any form of suffering and that includes my "enemies" also.
I really hope that you will realize that without being a human capable of compassion there really is nothing worth being. Because if we loose humanity there will be no one to hear your music... no matter how good it may be.
Once again... I'm sorry for insulting you and I wish you all the best in the rest of your life.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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Enertopia
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Posted : Apr 24, 2007 07:12
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On 2007-04-23 21:49, UnderTow wrote:
Wow. You amaze me Slobodan (Your new nickname).
How can someone be so wrong about so many things...
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You know, the time has come when I feel that I should thank you. In some peculiar sense you have provided the best argument against your self. I could never made such a point without your help.
I am sorry for every word of insult I've wrote to you. I don't have anything against you personally. Beyond this argument I'm truly sorry because the time will come when your own ambitions and ignorance will turn against you. I really hate to see any human being in any form of suffering and that includes my "enemies" also.
I really hope that you will realize that without being a human capable of compassion there really is nothing worth being. Because if we loose humanity there will be no one to hear your music... no matter how good it may be.
Once again... I'm sorry for insulting you and I wish you all the best in the rest of your life.
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Oh my god, this is sick 
How can you wish something like that to someone.
Man, for real, I suggest you to stop, it is turning into a very dark subject.
Very depressive.
Move on and use all that mind energy of yours in the writting of some music...or whatever you like doing.
Stop wishing those kind of things to possitive people.
And again, it is not an intellect battle of poetry and psychology.
Take it easy.
Surprise us with some good vibes man.
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 24, 2007 12:57
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Hey man, this is really not my business, but you went a bit far when calling him 'Slobodan'. This is a national tragedy for Croatians, Serbs and Bosnian people and this forum wouldn't necessary the place for arguments such like this.
Peace,
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I in no way intended to disrespect or hurt the feelings of the people of Serbia, Croatia or Bosnia. If I did in anyway, please accept my sincere appologies.
I have familiy that fought in that war and I am aware of the atrocities that was met on to people there. My intent was not to belittle anyone's grief and sufferance. Again, if I came over that way I appologise.
My point was pretty simple: I don't think that shamantrixx is directly responsable for the actions of Slobodan Milošević just as I don't think individuals residents of any country are directly responsable for the actions of their government.
shamantrixx didn't acknowledge or agree with that point which I find naive. I usualy abide by the simple rule that arguing with fools makes you a fool yourself so I didn't argue with him and instead just gave a, admitedly insensitive, quick retort without going into any details.
As ess765 took the effort to respond and questions my political and filosofic views, I will address the individual points in a following post.
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galactic monkey
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Posted : Apr 24, 2007 13:59
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this thread rocks man!!!!!! ans i just want to say i didnt ask the question so i could copy it!i just out of all the synths i have i have not 1 that has that sound....thats all!!
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 24, 2007 15:11
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On 2007-04-23 20:59, shamantrixx wrote:
To be able to argue we have to have different view about same thing. Obviously I have a different view and I use arguments and quotes as a tool for advocating my point of view. So I wonder... how it could possibly be done in more gentle way? Maybe you can make an example? I'm willing to change my strategy if you have a better one.
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Quoting and arguing isn't the issue. The issue I have with some of your posts is that they come over as arrogant, agressive and belittling. This is no good to anyone. Not to you, not to the person you respond to and not to anyone else.
There are many ways to say the same thing. You will have much more effect on the person you are responding to by writting a friendly and informative post. If you don't have the patience to respond to some of these posts, which btw is totaly understandble, then don't even bother.
You write yourself that we are responsable for what happens in the world and I agree with you to a certain extent. And that starts right here by being friendly and polite to people.
If you are not going to act on the things that you write and quote, you are doing nothing more than blowing hot air!
That makes you a hypocrite!
I don't know if you are or are not. We all loose our patience and temper every now and then. So please proove me wrong!
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Weapons are quite expensive and money for weapons is coming from everyone in a nation by tax collecting. Also everyone has agreed that we will let out leaders to represent our "will" and we pay them to do that.
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I don't quite think you understand how a democracy works. A democracy always has a majority that tolerates a minority. I don't think there has ever been a national election (that wasn't rigged) in any country that had a 100% anonymous outcome. There are always people that do not agree with the elected leaders.
Unfortunately it is the vast masses of usually ill informed people that carry the most weight in a national election.
Politicians, especially corrupt and dishonest ones, make good use of this to manipulate the masses with populistic and simplistic ideas that very often sway the vote in their favour.
Just look at what happend in the last two elections in the united states. If you look at at maps that represent the vote distribution over the country, you will see that Bush&Co had the majority vote in most of the rural areas while the big towns with a more informed and cosmopolitan population voted against them.
The neo-conservatives made good use of simplistic populistic ideas to emball the masses. They made use of blind nationalistic pride, religion, fear and other such base human instincs. I am not even sure Bush is a religious person but he and is cohorts play the religious line whenever they can. They are dishonest and corrupt.
This is a planet wide tragedy of monumental proportions. It is most felt in places like Iraq but I am quite sure that we, or our children, all suffer to some degree. Instead of making the world a better place, our leaders are protecting their vested interests in capital gain and political power.
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No I don't. See all my comments above. And let me add a little piece of information: I do not have the nationality of the country I live in. I am not allowed to vote.
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- you pay them to make your decisions
- you provide them with enough money to buy weapons and use them
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The general populace has no control over how tax money is spent. With an intelligent, well informed and well intended governement this is a very good thing but when the governement lacks any of those characteristics, it can be a very bad thing indeed.
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- you (or someone next to you) choose to serve take weapons and "defend" your country in some other country.
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Defending your country and beliefs against an agressive foreign invader is a commendable deed. Unfortunately, corrupt politicians all throughout history have stretched that idea to encompass invading other sovereign countries for their own profit whatever that might be. The invasion of Iraq is a good example of that but there are many more throughout the centuries.
Personaly, I am not into nationalism. I would much prefer the world to be one cohesive entity that has the best interests of all its parts at heart. As long as people can point to certain groups of people as being "us" and other groups of people as being "them", there will always be conflicts of some sort.
Anyway, I, and most other citizens of a country, have absolutely no control over what the military of a country does or does not do. Again, just as with the allocattion of tax money, this in general is a good thing. Unfortunately, governments, intentionaly or not, make bad decisions. There is not much we can do about that on the short term.
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I'm sorry but how can you possibly disassociate your self from a war being fight with your agreement, financial support and in some cases even with an active participation?
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The way you pose the question, I couldn't. In reality though, any war fought in the world does not have my agreement, does not have my willfull financial support and certainly does not have my active participation.
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The world is not a bad place because of few "bad" people but rather because good people fail to stop those few.
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I think you are trying to paraphrase this bogus quote "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing". This might sound deep and philosophical to you but it is really quite trite and meaningless. Let me explain,
There is no clear delineation between evil and good. More often than not these attributions are just a reflection of the perspective of the speaker or writer. Also, it is a logical non sequitar. If there were no "evil people" or "bad people" the world wouldn't be a bad place, would it?
How do you define a "good person" versus a "bad person"? I do not believe there is any person on this planet that is entirely "good" or "evil/bad". These "good" people and "bad" or "evil" people are gross caricatures of reality.
Also look at history. Rarely is "evil" on a large scale ever stopped by a few people. It usualy takes whole armies and the backing of entire nations. Often it is only the death or ill-health of the "evil" person that brings an end to the "evil". Often the perpetuation of "evil" goes on for centuries unabated. Human slavery is an example of that and continues to this day.
And last but not least, even if all the rest was accurate, it takes more than just innaction on the part of "good people" for "evil to triumph". To go back to the example of Slobodan Milošević, he wouldn't have been able to do what he did if there was not some sort of support from a relatively large section of the general population. Maybe not once he had the power that he did but at the very least when ascending towards that power.
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So we're not all like Slobodan Milosevic, but we're no better than he is.
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Speak for yourself. I am in no way comparable to that man and I would venture to say that that applies to most of the people in this forum.
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Because if we ware any better we would not let him to do what he had done.
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See all my comments above.
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He never held a rifle in his hand or fired a cannon. WE did that for him! All wars are like that. WE fight in their wars and we pay them. Both in money and blood. It's our fault all the way. The fact that he was held responsible in the court of "law" does not make the rest of us "free of charge". Far from it!
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Again, speak for yourself. I have no responsability in that war. Sure I could do more to improve the world but that does not make me responsable for the actions of that man.
I stand by my comment that blaming every individual of a nation for the actions of the leaders of that nation is extremely naive.
ess765,
Don't confuse my shortness in script with lack of understanding or perception. Nor should you project ideas of others on to my person or writings based on me not going into lengthy detail. If you think I entertain some thoughts based on what I write, feel free to ask wether that is really the case or not. I will most likely oblige you with a more comprehensive response. 
I expect a certain level of intelligence from any reader thus I expect them to be able to read between the lines without imagening things that I did not write or insinuate. Of course this is a double edged sword as someone from a different culture, with a different mastering of the english language, a different level of experience, a different level of education, a different level of intelligence or simply a different perspective and point of vue might read different things between the lines than I intended. That is partly my fault for not elaborating my thoughts more extensively but it is also an inherent risk of posting anything on public internet fora.
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