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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jun 22, 2013 04:21:14
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Simples question: for those here who use Saturn or Trash2, what kind of settings do you like best?
I've been testing this stuff and I can get a wide range of tones. But there's so many options on this things that we can go a milion different directions. So I was wondering how others here use those things. Cheers |
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Hypereal
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Posted : Jun 22, 2013 10:33
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Also try decapitator or dada sausage fattener but in the end you can get nice sound for your bassline only with EQ |
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fraxi
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Posted : Jun 22, 2013 10:35
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makus
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Posted : Jun 22, 2013 14:22
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On 2013-06-22 04:21:14, frisbeehead wrote:
there's so many options on this things that we can go a milion different directions.
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isnt that great?
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jun 22, 2013 15:29
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On 2013-06-22 14:22, makus wrote:
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On 2013-06-22 04:21:14, frisbeehead wrote:
there's so many options on this things that we can go a milion different directions.
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isnt that great?
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sure is! I was asking this mainly because I'm curious. In my testing I really liked the amp simulation (in the convolve section) in Trash 2 and being able to edit the saturation curve myself. Only tested this for Bass yet, but specially this one seems to allow for greater creativity. Don't know if you guys agree with me on this, I think we've had a shortage of proper distortion plug-ins and now those times are gone: multi-band with many saturation/distortion modes to go with, modulation options, amp simulation... So the question should be: what distortion/saturation modes you like best on these? Bass just narrows it down a lot, I guess.
Not looking for advice for getting bass to sound good, otherwise wouldn't start a thread - there's plenty to go for here. And I'm not having trouble with Bass. Just thought that Trash 2 gives me more then my previous collection of distortion plug-ins would, and since I need to get my head around it was curious to know not the settings themselves - of course - but what saturation/distortion modes and convolve you guys like best. Probably everyone's got a different answer for that and that's fine 
cheers
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Grevinsky
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Posted : Jun 22, 2013 18:03
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Just experiment to find what you like?.
On my base i usally put saturn and i make it 3 bands.
For the low i use warm tape/tube. For mid and high i variate alot.
Gentle saturation is nice for the high´s
Its better just to try it out and find the settings you think sound good.
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vipal
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Posted : Jun 22, 2013 18:21
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saturn, maybe try mastering presets, i used once a cleantape preset there, brought out the bass a bit was nice, i dont think there is something that works all the time, like quadrafuzz, sometimes nice sometimes not
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klippel
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Posted : Jun 23, 2013 09:24
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important advice. do not overuse it. too much makes the bass muddy! verify that on headphones as monitors can blur that!
the default initial preset on saturn is nice, as is the "magic mastering" preset as mentioned before. here you can play with the band crossover and especially the mix and dynamics parameter. in saturn often the dynamic makes more difference then the drive setting so watch out for that it can be overdone easily.
that said saturn is very well suited for "instant rubberness" 
i usually never go more than 50% on the mix and the dynamic button and unse clean / warm tube/tape as the algorithms
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dimitrilentryptamine
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Posted : Jun 23, 2013 13:36
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second preset in the distortion section of trash 2 is a good start, after u can tweak knobs and stuff and learn how to have a good saturation |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jun 23, 2013 13:44
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@vipal
for a quadrafuzz like sound, I think it's a good idea to include some kind of amp simulation on the chain. I know it says "fuzz", but there's probably some kind of amp circuitry emulation going on there... Most often when people ask for a Quadrafuzz replacement, people list stuff like what's mentioned here and I always think: you should try the amp simulation thing also. Just saturation won't cut it.
One thing for people to test that I noticed myself: in trash 2 there's the oversampling option in the "options" menu. In psybass (tryed it yesterday) I liked to leave that option turned off imo.
"Just experiment to find what you like?. "
@Grevinsky
of course, but I'm trully not asking for advice to get a good sounding bass here. Was just curious to know how other people go about this...
Extreme settings on this things don't have to sound muddy at all, trully depends on what you're looking for. Plus, the filters in saturation stage on Trash can come handy to deal with unwanted frequencies and to much coloration of mids and highs. Bass music is there to show it: there's plenty of creative use of distortion to show for.
>>>I'm not really interested in the "generic" psy bass thing, I've been doing that for ages. I mean Bass in general, and a more creative sound design approach to that. <<<
I feel there's scope in Trash2 for some very creative uses that one can't even touch if simply going for the typical psy bass sound - that's narrowing it down way to much. I found the convolve section of this plug-ins chain is simply insane: you can get your own recorded impulses and make use of certain sound characteristics of spaces or sound sources in general.
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jun 23, 2013 13:53
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On 2013-06-23 09:24, klippel wrote:
important advice. do not overuse it. too much makes the bass muddy! verify that on headphones as monitors can blur that!
the default initial preset on saturn is nice, as is the "magic mastering" preset as mentioned before. here you can play with the band crossover and especially the mix and dynamics parameter. in saturn often the dynamic makes more difference then the drive setting so watch out for that it can be overdone easily.
that said saturn is very well suited for "instant rubberness"
i usually never go more than 50% on the mix and the dynamic button and unse clean / warm tube/tape as the algorithms
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yeah, don't know if I like it much for typical "psybass" sound at all. I use it plenty for leads - and the modulation options there are insane and very easy to use. The dynamics knob works pretty much like it's illustrated, the more you turn it right the more transient information is lost, easily becomes a wall of sound/mud. For a more "steady, quadrafuzz" rock sound, I'd probably just leave it alone and rely more on adjusting the crossover for bands and respective gains and then focus on the mix (wet/dry) pretty much like you're saying. |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jun 24, 2013 16:43
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On 2013-06-22 18:03, Grevinsky wrote:
Just experiment to find what you like?.
On my base i usally put saturn and i make it 3 bands.
For the low i use warm tape/tube. For mid and high i variate alot.
Gentle saturation is nice for the high´s
Its better just to try it out and find the settings you think sound good.
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Yeah, those are my go-to in Saturn when trying to keep things focused to. Even though I'm starting to experiment more with upper layers, widening them and processing them a lot more.
Don't know if you'd agree with me on this, but having different bands on different modes sometimes messes with the sound, most noticeable near the crossovers. More often then not, I prefer to use real layers as I feel it gives me more control. Not saying that I don't make use of the multi-band feature on this plug-ins, I do, but pretty much like you'd use graphical EQ to structure the gain across the bands.
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Fakso
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Posted : Jun 24, 2013 20:34
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Saturn is really nice for all kind of things, I'm still exploring but the sequence presets e.g are nice for percussion lines
anyone can tell me how to get distortion with saturn similar to the sylenth1 disto.section?
thanks to killik I found out that most prog basses have disto on it, thus sound crunchy punchy and fat I'd say, something that should be mentioned in the next "my bassline doesn't sound like what I want it to" thread 
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supergroover
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Posted : Jun 25, 2013 08:22
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I use alot of parallel distortion. Send up send effects with different distortions and cut the lows of those send effects. than add to taste
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jun 25, 2013 15:15
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On 2013-06-24 20:34, Fakso wrote:
anyone can tell me how to get distortion with saturn similar to the sylenth1 disto.section?
thanks to killik I found out that most prog basses have disto on it, thus sound crunchy punchy and fat I'd say, something that should be mentioned in the next "my bassline doesn't sound like what I want it to" thread
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yeah, also don't forget to try some amp simulation plug-in! May be just what many are looking for without even knowing it. |
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