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N0MEX
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Posted : Jan 30, 2009 18:22:05
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which effect making different phase to each channel to the bassline ..
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pleiadian
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Posted : Jan 30, 2009 18:45
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On 2009-01-30 18:22:05, N0MEX wrote:
which effect making different phase to each channel to the bassline ..
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why do you want to do that ?
Bass energy should be on the same phase otherwise you will get cancelations and effects that you really dont want... or you do want to?
there are lots of plugins with swap phase function.. cant remember any from the top of me head though..
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jizy
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Posted : Jan 30, 2009 18:59
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be more clear in your qestion mate
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N0MEX
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Posted : Jan 30, 2009 19:16
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i heard about some trick that make the bass more clear in the mix... and i found this post ...
hope u understand that. now after you've tweaked the subtractor to ur liking, add the fx. try to balance out the EQ with the bassdrum (ie. if the BD's EQ at 80Hz is up a little bit, bring the bass down a little bit at 80Hz). compress it and then add some stereo effects with a delay:
1. add two delays, one panned all the way to the left, and one panned all the way to the right.
2. set them both to 0 feedback, and adjust the wet/dry knob to ur liking.
3. i usually set the right delay to 4 steps, and the left to 2 steps, but again u can adjust to your liking.
hope this helps....Elation Nation
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pleiadian
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Posted : Jan 30, 2009 20:15
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On 2009-01-30 19:16, N0MEX wrote:
i heard about some trick that make the bass more clear in the mix... and i found this post ...
hope u understand that. now after you've tweaked the subtractor to ur liking, add the fx. try to balance out the EQ with the bassdrum (ie. if the BD's EQ at 80Hz is up a little bit, bring the bass down a little bit at 80Hz). compress it and then add some stereo effects with a delay:
1. add two delays, one panned all the way to the left, and one panned all the way to the right.
2. set them both to 0 feedback, and adjust the wet/dry knob to ur liking.
3. i usually set the right delay to 4 steps, and the left to 2 steps, but again u can adjust to your liking.
hope this helps....Elation Nation
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that is something totally different. Just go ahead and try these things on your own pal.. experimenting is the mother off all! 
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The Andychrist
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Posted : Jan 30, 2009 20:19
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in general, to keep up a pretty thick bass, you want to keep the bass mono or at least keep the left and right channel in phase. This is because bass out of phase results in hard to manage beading patterns. Also, if you think about the two most common speaker setups at parties, you will notice that the subs are either in a central cluster, or stacked under tops. In the first case, bass phasing fun will result in craziness, in the other case, it may be fun, but you're sort of rolling the dice.
This doesn't mean it's never appropriate to alter the phase of the left and right channels of bass relative to each other, but it does mean you should be careful when you do it.
On another note, during breaks, or just two beat breaths in longer phrases, it can be very rewarding to change the phase of the bass to sort of "float" it out before returning to a more solid sound. If you use Ableton, the built in "Utility" effect has L-phase flip and R-phase flip buttons. If you use anything else that can use VSTs, Sonalksis makes a free plug-in called FreeG which is a decent peak/RMS meter and also has a phase flip button.
An aside: if you ever find yourself micing more than four vocalists or horn players in a live setup where they are all standing next to each other, you should flip the phase on one of the mics. =)
In Reason, there is no VST support, so to change phase stuff, I believe you have to automate the associated parameters in the synth you are using.
Hope this helps, but I also hope that if you go crazy with the bass phasing action, you should phrase (<---notice the r) it in such a way that it would be cool regardless of the phase funtime.
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D-Alien
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Posted : Jan 30, 2009 23:15
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The Andychrist
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Posted : Jan 31, 2009 01:09
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pleiadian
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Posted : Jan 31, 2009 12:43
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On 2009-01-31 01:09, The Andychrist wrote:
true =) and it raises an interesting question:
Is the second layer actually a "bass" if it acts as part of the bassline from a compositional standpoint, but must be treated separately from an engineering perspective?
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Whatever sounds good!
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jan 31, 2009 12:48
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N0MEX
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Posted : Jan 31, 2009 15:02
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im surprized to hear about problem that comes with layered bass.. cause so many artist using it)
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jizy
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Posted : Jan 31, 2009 16:34
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if that is the case, we all better start creating are tunes in MONO then. everything , leads, hats sfx all better be mono then
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Nectarios
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Posted : Feb 1, 2009 17:48
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On 2009-01-31 16:34, jizy wrote:
if that is the case, we all better start creating are tunes in MONO then. everything , leads, hats sfx all better be mono then
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Not at all. Just make sure your nice stereo image, translates well on mono as well. Bare in mind that the brain starts loosing directionality below 300Hz, so there's no need to go crazy with the stereo image of low stuff.
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jizy
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Posted : Feb 1, 2009 17:52
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but then the question arrises .. what is a good,perfect stereo image?
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Nectarios
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Posted : Feb 1, 2009 18:10
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For me, kick, snare, bass (or the sub bass of a layered bassline), main open hat (not always shakers) in mono. Then percussion and the main leads and stabs in stereo, yet consistent in the stereo field (and having some stereo delays doing some extra work) and then all the effects, sweeps, pads, free to go wild on the stereo field.
You have 180 degrees to play with. use all of that range instead of only the extremes.
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