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Bass on the One (on the kick) - Do you?
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Posted : Sep 19, 2003 19:31
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Hi guys,
Well, I have a question about bass writing. "Do u or don't u write bass on the kick (I mean, do u put a bass note where there is a kick note...). From 1 point of view, u don't do that since then the kick and the bass can colliedes and it harms the sound, while on the other hand, maybe a good EQ job can make it work and sound good.
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Sep 19, 2003 20:00
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I usually dont put the kick on the bass. I just dont see why U need to do it. If its a running groove I think the KBBB its good enough. if you want the bass-line on all of the 16th notes then you`ll have to cut the bass more on the frequencies that the kick is mainly on (usually between 100hz to 200hz) or u can use the same bass line but only in the sub-bass or 1 octave higher.
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Posted : Sep 19, 2003 20:32
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Well, sometimes I like to "colore" the sound of the kick... I mean, to give it a kind of pitch.
And sometimes U just build a bassline that "needs" to be on the kick since otherwhise it sounds different from what you wanted it to be.
The thing is that I know that most of the people don't do it, and I want to know why... |
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Trip-
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Posted : Sep 19, 2003 21:39
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I never worry about that since u need to EQ the bass and the kick to be in freqs-harmony together without coliding too much....
and also I side chain compressing so i never worry about putting bass+kick... sometimes I need to do it.... specially in Dub tracks.
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timsensient
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Posted : Sep 20, 2003 01:23
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Usually dont do it, but if you have a short fill where you take the kick out for one or 2 beats then i often add in bass hits where the kik would be to keep it rolling along... |
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PeYoTe KiNG
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Posted : Sep 20, 2003 01:34
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I found out that the line:
bebb ebbe
sounds real good when u eq alitle bit the bass, so i can say that I do it sometimes.
btw - b = bass , e = empty
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Mike A
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Posted : Sep 20, 2003 13:35
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my latest line goes like this:
b/k e b b k e b b k e b b k b b b
the bass on the kick is reduce in volume so it won't hurt it, and sounds great 
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 20, 2003 15:00
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If you mix a band you WANT to have the drummer playing the kickdrum together with the bassman.
If you have the bass on the kick just take care that the kick is more on the shorter side, maybe even (depends your taste) on the harder side.
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Yuli
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Posted : Sep 20, 2003 18:56
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If u don't even consider of using a bass on the 1, 2, 3, 4 count, then basically u disregard 25% of your groove possibilities... No wonder why trance gets boring with the KBBBKBBBKBBBKBBB.. comon ppl.. this is art.. innovate - make special grooves. The KBBBKBBB.. formula is running since XDream's 'Radio' from 1996-7.. Time to seek for more
And for those complaining on mixing kik with bass - work on your sound making technique instead of taking the easy way out
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Sep 20, 2003 19:56
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submind dude, in rock/pop whatever the bass is usually played with the kickdrum but the kick is also higher in pitch and smaller in gain.
b.t.w yuli,I agree with you but, the bass is not the only 1 that "decide" on the groove. you can make special grooves with in KBBB. hihat and snares are "Grando Imnportanto" too..
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Shroomy
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Posted : Sep 22, 2003 12:10
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I've always used both kick and bass at the same beat... and I'll probably keep it that way... 
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 23, 2003 20:57
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On 2003-09-20 19:56, billy ambulance wrote:
submind dude, in rock/pop whatever the bass is usually played with the kickdrum but the kick is also higher in pitch and smaller in gain. |
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Do you want to say that this is not possible in psytrance? Ups, I didn't know that there is a law of being influenced by music outside psytrance- universe...
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Gabriel_green trek
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Posted : Sep 24, 2003 08:39
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HI
I agree with yuli....
the groove with KbbbKbbb.....
stay more especial
i use Kb-bbb-Kb-bbb...., but with the velocity of the bass in the kick (Kb) "lower"
In this way..
the kick and the bass dont if coliding much
this was the better way that i learn
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Sep 24, 2003 09:38
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hey submind relax Im on your side! I say mix trance with dub & hip-hop at the same time!
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