| Author
|
bass line sculping
|
D7uan
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
43
Posts :
159
Posted : Apr 18, 2010 20:39:17
|
|
I have a question regarding the bass line, i was analizing a dinopsaras bass line in logics spectral analyzer and the wave just looks so perfect and it sounds even better, then I created a bass line and ran it through and it looked like shit, I just kept on eq'ing till i got it to as close as i could get it to DP's bass wave but every time a key was struck even if it was the same key it had diferent reading on the eq and it even sounded the diferent. My question is why does this happen, and if there is a better way of getting those perfect waves without having to run a shitload of eq's through every note just so that every note keeps more or less the same freq? |
|
|
Psydust
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
14
Posts :
91
Posted : Apr 19, 2010 01:02
|
|
what vst/hardware are you using to make your bass? i have a feeling its more than just compression and the right eq on Dino's baseline. |
|
|
|
D7uan
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
43
Posts :
159
Posted : Apr 19, 2010 04:17
|
im using the esm but i think i figured out what the problem is i was using the channel eq instead of the linear phase and that was what was causing the variation, i have still yet to try it out though hopefully dats it
|
|
|
|
reignthruacid
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
11
Posts :
32
Posted : Apr 19, 2010 18:16
|
|
i'm not sure exactly what your doing with this, but this is new to me and i find it interesting. what are the benefits from this method? |
|
|
|
D7uan
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
43
Posts :
159
Posted : Apr 19, 2010 18:50
|
|
well basically what i do is find a bassline thats on the same key as the song im makin, then i run it through a spectral analyzer and it just looks so sexy with all them perfect curves and peaks and it dosent change that much through out the bass line, so i start to make my bassline and run it through and of course it looks nothing like a pro bass line wave so then i just run it through a compresor and then eq till i can get as close to that wave as possible and it seems to be working pretty good. the only draw back is that linear phase eq uses up a shitload of cpu so now im thinking that once i have the wave sculped like i want it or to the best of my abilities im going to have to bounce the bass line and just use it as a sample loop. im barely finished on one bar and it really does make a difference. hope this helps |
|
|
|
orange
Fat Data
Started Topics :
154
Posts :
3918
Posted : Apr 19, 2010 19:12
|
|
Ascension
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
170
Posts :
3642
Posted : Apr 19, 2010 19:35
|
I don't think trying to match a spectrum will get you as good of a result as using your ears. There are a lot of things that can influence the waveform.
Are you looking at the spectrum from the raw form of the bassline with just an eq on it?
 http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
www.chilluminati.org - Midwest based psytrance group |
|
|
|
orange
Fat Data
Started Topics :
154
Posts :
3918
Posted : Apr 19, 2010 19:41
|
|
Maine Coon
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
12
Posts :
1659
Posted : Apr 19, 2010 20:38
|
It’s a wild guess, but your problem with the note sounding different every time may have something to do with the way you set up your synth (and later will set up your sampler). I fell into something like this with a kick. There is a couple of settings I can think of (I am sure veterans can think of some more):
1) Is your synth monophonic or polyphonic? If it’s polyphonic then your new notes go on top of the release tails of the older ones. The more irregular your rhythm, the more your sound is going to depend on how much of the previous note(s) is still playing. I think a compressor may (depending on how it’s set up) “amplify” this inconsistency too. The timing will affect your sound even more if there is any pitch envelope involved: your new and old notes will form slightly different intervals depending on how they are spaced in time.
2) If you use an LFO in your synth – is it set to retrigger? If not, the LFO keeps on going and the start of your note will always fall on a different point in it. So, your note may sound completely differently depending on what that particular point in your LFO does to your sound.
I would check those settings first, before playing with EQ and compressors.
Unfortunately, this is pretty much all I know so far, so I hope I guessed something right.
Good luck.
|
|
|
|
Ascension
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
170
Posts :
3642
Posted : Apr 19, 2010 20:41
|
Quote:
|
On 2010-04-19 19:41, orange wrote:
he looks at a waveform of a track that has been mastered and all the peaks/dynamics are limited, compressed and equed...
its like trying to solve a 10000 pieces white jigsaw!
|
|
Yeah, that's what I assumed he was doing and if that is the case it's a pointless endeavor.
http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
www.chilluminati.org - Midwest based psytrance group |
|
|
|
PoM
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
162
Posts :
8087
Posted : Apr 19, 2010 20:48
|
|
if you use narrow q it won t sound optimal on other notes (it can still sound good ) ever you let it like that or you use different tracks for each notes and move all the bands depending the note used (give you more control for processing ,not only for eq) |
|
|
|
reignthruacid
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
11
Posts :
32
Posted : Apr 19, 2010 21:06
|
|
hm, interesting, i'm still a noob at mastering and i've still yet got to get the hang of it. btw, is it better to turn midi tracks into sampled loops or audio tracks after mastering to ease up on the CPU. otherwise it probably doesn't make a difference? |
|
|
|
Ascension
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
170
Posts :
3642
Posted : Apr 19, 2010 21:08
|
Quote:
|
On 2010-04-19 21:06, reignthruacid wrote:
hm, interesting, i'm still a noob at mastering and i've still yet got to get the hang of it. btw, is it better to turn midi tracks into sampled loops or audio tracks after mastering to ease up on the CPU. otherwise it probably doesn't make a difference?
|
|
That doesn't matter for the mastering process, but in general if you want to save cpu, bounce to audio.
http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
www.chilluminati.org - Midwest based psytrance group |
|
|
|
PoM
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
162
Posts :
8087
Posted : Apr 19, 2010 21:13
|
|
sometimes audio fades sound better than some synths for the release curve/time on basslines ,to get a tighter sound , it can be a other avantage to bounce it |
|
|
|
D7uan
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
43
Posts :
159
Posted : Apr 19, 2010 22:10
|
|
im actually just looking at a dinopsaras bass sample from the loopmasters dino psaras psychedelic samples, SO NO ITS NOT LIKE A 1000 PIECES ITS JUST THE STANDARD bbb line with nothing else added. Thanks this is really helpfull, im using a monophonic synth no lfos no nothing just the esm, im just tweaking the filter and envolope to get to the closest waveform that im tring to achieve, after this then i add the compressor and eq, im thinkin of it like a sculpture i think of the original wave sound (esm wave) as a boulder, so then before i can do anything with it it should already have most of the frequencies that im tring to keep (im tring to stay clear of boosting any freqs). After that i just begin cutting the freqs i dont need and just leaving the ones that make it look like dino's, kind of like the "chiseling" that you would do to a boulder to shape a sculpure, I dont know if this is the way to go but its workin for me so far this idea just poped into my head like 4 days ago so im going to keep at it and ill keep on postin to see how its goin!! o yeah thanks to the linear phase eq i no longer have to do it note for note I just keep the notes with the same note value and lenght with the same eqs and it seems to be working so far |
|
|
|
