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alientrancesistor
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Posted : Jun 3, 2010 15:04:19
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hey guys i wanted to know is there any track in which bass line pattern changes every 16 bars?and do u guys think changing pattern of the bass every 16 bars effective in psy trance? that means track might have around 13 to 15 different patterns in a 8 min long track?
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Posted : Jun 3, 2010 15:27
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Why not , i would really like to listen tracks made with this versatility. This could be shifting the entire base note or just minor notes too. The concept is interesting but its harder in practise since fitting sounds , grooves to suit the variating bass patterns may/may not fit. Maybe it just requires alot patience and a formal education in scales would help also .
Track which has alot of bass variations however not every 16 bars more like 64?
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alientrancesistor
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Posted : Jun 3, 2010 15:35
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cool bro..thanks for the info...hmm what i have done is in the first section before the break i have used only single notes like 6 different patterns and after the first main break i ahve used 4 different 2 bass note patterns and after the second break i have used 5 different 3 note bass patterns...and also none of the bass line pattern are similar...btw its a 149 bpm night/dark style..
just experimenting....
btw hw often does a pattern change usually in psy?32 ?64?
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Posted : Jun 3, 2010 15:41
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16 bars is abit far fetched for complete pattern changes imo but not impossible ,it just would need to be executed very very well. I do a note or 2 changes every 16bars but not altering the overall pattern so it works, changing a few more notes after 16bars on an existing looop (melody, groove) will give the track a different meaning , maybe slighty dissonant or off too (can be good ). I would say 64 bar change is very nice and if you do this you wont get bored with track =)
Alot of tracks (mostly dark ) run on the same one note bass pattern for 280 odd bars and its boring.
No hard rules m8, xperimenting is fruitfull
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alientrancesistor
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Posted : Jun 3, 2010 15:51
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yess i have written tarcks where i cahnge the pattern only like 8 bars before the break or 8 bars after the break and also during the intro and outro like 8 bras or even shorter say 4 bars....usually i like to work on kbbb pattern ..but this time i jsut wanted to do completely different...so i wanted to check if there are any tracks where in all patterns are different from each other
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Ascension
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Posted : Jun 3, 2010 16:09
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Heh, I have a fullon track I'm workin on where the bassline changes a lot (even some 4 bar changes). It can be tricky in some places because it can take away from the "trance" aspect of the music and be distracting, but changing the bass along with other parts of the track makes it flow better.
Best is to do this with intent/purpose and makes sense with the track as a whole. Might sound good, might sound bad, but always good to try new things and try to get them sounding the best you can. Don't be afraid to ditch it if it sounds bad- just keep trying til it works.
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alientrancesistor
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Posted : Jun 3, 2010 16:19
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@ ascension when u say 4 bar changes u mean juts before a break or after the break?or is it randomly throughout the track?
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Ascension
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Posted : Jun 3, 2010 18:42
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Well the part I changed it every 4 bars happens to be a 16 bar section before a break. Other parts I did some 8 bar changes (I think, haven't looked at it in a while).
Like I said, your main focus should be that it makes sense in the context of the track and sounds good. I've tried doing lots of bass note changes on other tracks and it hasn't sounded good. My best advice would be to save 1 version without all the changes and another with them.
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alientrancesistor
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Posted : Jun 4, 2010 04:27
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yehh i get it..yehh for sure i do that i have 2 copies of the same session..
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jun 4, 2010 04:56
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its very tricky with basslines, as I consider them and their interaction with the 4/4 kick drum to be a large part of the trance generating spectrum. A lot of variation is cool and can make the bass funky, but too much variation and you run into problems. I like my psy to have a real thick and solid bottom end to ground you, while the mid and high range morph and twist your mind into bits. If both of them are going all crazy then its like being torn too many different ways. However, it depends on what you are trying to achieve.
One of my favorite ways of working with this problem is make a bassline, notice that its way too melodic or w/e and then just bump it up 2-3 octaves and use it as a lead in another synth, then start over with your bassline
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Jun 4, 2010 20:02
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On 2010-06-04 04:56, willsanquil wrote:
One of my favorite ways of working with this problem is make a bassline, notice that its way too melodic or w/e and then just bump it up 2-3 octaves and use it as a lead in another synth, then start over with your bassline
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Interesting idea! 
I think you should patent this process under the trade name “Bass Sublimation” 
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alientrancesistor
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Posted : Jun 8, 2010 16:14
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any more views on it? do u think it enhances the interest and more effective then having a consatnt pattern?
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Posted : Jun 9, 2010 03:10
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Maine Coon lol that's hilarious and accurate. You just gave me some really good ideas. I had been looking for ways to relate electronic music directly to chemistry. Thanks mate. |
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alientrancesistor
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Posted : Jun 10, 2010 16:07
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bit off topic but i would also like to know is there any track which has got a constant bass line pattern throughout the track for example kbbb pattern throughout?info on this will be a great help for my reserch project guys..so pls need some info
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alientrancesistor
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Posted : Jun 10, 2010 16:18
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@ ascension do have any tracks where in all the bass line patterns are different from each other and with a continuos change of bass line pattern say every 16 bars?
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