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Rubik's Cube
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Posted : Jun 26, 2006 08:25
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Hello alls. As you use and as tune bass enhance algorithms like a waves rbass and bbe sonic maximizer. i try this, but not always i can make good balanced sound with this plugs. What theory use this? |
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Posted : Jun 26, 2006 09:59
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yes . i started a similar thread about them not so long back .. imo u dont need any `bass enhancers`.. just eq it good
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Kitnam
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Posted : Jun 26, 2006 10:07
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it sometimes helps to get punch into subelements which doesnt carry something like that naturally. the theory: theres no magic. an enhancer is the same like you split the signal into different channels and compress/distort a specified frequence, but just all in a plugin. so you can have the same results with clever routing of your signal. you have enhancers for highs and some for deeps etc. the real best one i ever used is the poco character. 2 knobs, just screw it and it fits into your mix perfectly, done. but for basses indeed if i use such a "push-it-chain-plugin" its the waves rbass. |
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Jun 26, 2006 11:51
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My theory is that you hear your bass best when there are no instruments obscuring it. I think that eq-ing the rest of the mix is most often the key to a clear and crispy bass. It may sometimes help to add a bit of distortion or enhancement with quadrafuzz, psp vintagewarmer, bbe sonic maximizer, izotopes enhancer, rbass, maxxbass, etc., etc... but don't expect wonders. Almost everytime when i apply these bass-magic plugins i end up taking them out of the audio chain because the clean, unprocessed sound is better when i A/B it with the processed sound. Man... i've wasted so many hours autisticly tweaking bass-sounds 
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Mike A
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Posted : Jun 26, 2006 14:09
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On 2006-06-26 09:59,  wrote:
yes . i started a similar thread about them not so long back .. imo u dont need any `bass enhancers`.. just eq it good
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imo you need it. 
there are not many synths which can produce a bass sound so good that all you need to do is eq it.
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texmex
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Posted : Jun 26, 2006 18:57
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btw is there a hardware device that would be equal to the, say, waves rbass or maxxbass? fatman 2fat maybe?
In general, is it possible to achieve that effect just with tubes, or do you need some special distortion for that? |
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fregle
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Posted : Jun 26, 2006 19:28
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some types of tubes can be seen as bass enhancers yes... Distortion can certainly enhance ur bass but strangely by adding high frequency content. Recording a flabby bass to tape also has a tightening effect, and the effects on bass of recording to vynil is known to all (and very exagerrated by subjectivity).
But in principle, if ur bass sound is good to start with it shouldn't need bass enhancement, a little EQ to fit it in and maybe a little compression to get rid of rogue peaks... |
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l337
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Posted : Jun 26, 2006 22:18
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Waves rbass was originally designed on the premise of being able to give smaller sound systems a larger bass using psycho acoustic algorithms.... i.e trick the listener of a smaller sound system in to thinking there is a larger bass...even if the loudspeaker has a not so low bass response.
with psy music its unneccesary due to the fact if played on a large sound rig, the bass is well catered for by the low end drivers......
just eq your bass well.... |
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hummingbird
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Posted : Jun 26, 2006 23:20
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just eq your bass well....
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Screw that, I'm gonna teach myself to get the sound right on the synth first!
*evilgrin*
PLUR and say: "one third magic one third science one third god and bob is/isn't yer uncle!"
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l337
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Posted : Jun 27, 2006 00:01
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just eq your bass well....
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Screw that, I'm gonna teach myself to get the sound right on the synth first!
*evilgrin*
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haha
that is the other option....but a bit of EQ roll off 45 hz and top roll off 1k - 2k will never hurt, with a slight boost 70 - 100 Hz
i think tho hummingbird you are right, there is the option of using any bass patch and eqing to get "that sound" or using a bass patch that already has the right sound
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dtd
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Posted : Jun 27, 2006 00:10
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Waves rbass was originally designed on the premise of being able to give smaller sound systems a larger bass using psycho acoustic algorithms.... i.e trick the listener of a smaller sound system in to thinking there is a larger bass...even if the loudspeaker has a not so low bass response.
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the idea is due to the observation that the human brain is capable to infer (non or weakly present) subharmonics from a present harmonics distribution (overtones). |
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xaBBu
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Posted : Jun 27, 2006 00:47
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On 2006-06-26 22:18, l337 wrote:
Waves rbass was originally designed on the premise of being able to give smaller sound systems a larger bass using psycho acoustic algorithms.... i.e trick the listener of a smaller sound system in to thinking there is a larger bass...even if the loudspeaker has a not so low bass response.
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the idea is due to the observation that the human brain is capable to infer (non or weakly present) subharmonics from a present harmonics distribution (overtones).
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Yeah thats what I thought, too. Rbass's psychoacustics relies on adding harmonics to the input signal. What you are adjusting is the center Frequency and boost of the harmonics.
Correct me if I am wrong. |
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l337
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Posted : Jun 27, 2006 01:05
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Straight from the horses mouth (aka http://www.waves.com)
"Waves developed the MaxxBass technology to allow audio engineers to selectively add harmonics which significantly enhance the bass perception by the listener, and most importantly, beyond the range of the speaker's conventional frequency response."
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br0d
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Posted : Jun 27, 2006 06:39
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Waves MaxBass and RBass are fun to play with, but note that they don't have a "huge club" preset. You want your sounds to be as true as possible for large systems, because the larger the system, the more exaggerated any inaccuracies and bumps become.
Not to mention a lot of sound engineers and club owners dial their systems in at a smile EQ. And some will use enhancers.
The PoCo Character and the BBE Sonic Maximizer seem like the only two worth using for a tweak. Why? Because they come right out and state that they are using phase correction. Any time you boost bass, you also highlight the timing inaccuracy inherent in shitty filters. Try it, take a kinda sloppy, flappy bassline, and then crank up a RBass at around 40Hz or whatever the fundamental is. It'll get worse. It'll have more bass, but its timing and sense of clarity will seem to get worse.
IMO the best idea is to get synths without shitty filters in the first place, and stay away from both EQ and PoCo/BBE style maximization if possible. Finding synths that don't suck at bassline is hard in VSTi though, I'd go for ES-M, Tau, Vanguard, sometimes Virus, Nord, etc if you have them.
If anything I'd use the maximizer on the kick drum. |
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illusions
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Posted : Jun 27, 2006 07:28
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When using bass enhancers like the rbass/maxbass etc.. you end up loosing some of the important high end of your bass as well. Since it is all just perception based, its probably because the lower frequencies just *seem* that much louder. If you are going to use them though, place them around the fundamental of the track - thats the only place where it sounds half decent.
I've made great basses using all sorts of vst's with not much more than some distortion/eq. albino/tau/junglist/hydra/vb1/esm
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