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Bar/beat structure of breakdowns
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bLv
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Posted : Aug 6, 2004 10:46
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I think FUNKKIMUNKKI summed it up quite nicely guys. In fact its full points with 10/10...
peace
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Aug 6, 2004 13:17
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FUNKKIMUNKKI - wise words...
bLv, just make sure your timing feels ok, other than that just put the breaks whereever they fit 
laters
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Aug 6, 2004 18:30
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On 2004-08-05 21:53, FUNKKIMUNKKI wrote:
nobody is born a musician.. its a process to get there.. takes many years.. but eventually lot of people can get to the point of being a musician...
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Well said Funkkimunki. It makes me start to reflect some...
I would not call myself a musician.
I remember overhearing a conversation from an older woman (~40) in reference to a psytrance festival that had taken place at the land we were at (for another festival). She was talking about the music being played, and at one point stated firmly to her audience "well I went and listened for a bit to that stuff and I can tell you it is NOT music. I am a musician and that was NOT musical."
I decided right then that I never ever want to be a musician.
When I hear a sound, I don't want to try and force it into something, I simply want to hear what it is, maybe try and accentuate the ambiguity so that someone else stops hearing it as just one thing and instead hears it as being many possible things.
When I write rhythms, I layer them the same way I layer harmonies. Oh yeah, a musician will tell you they are not same thing, that rhythm and harmony are seperate things that can work together, but are ultimately different. I disagree.
Sure, I know some simple music theory, but I've found that nowadays I express more by thinking less. I don't care if something has been done before, or is formulaic, or is complete and utter crap, so long as it feels right. As I'm sitting there in front of my computer, picking which sounds to put in a song, I am putting part of my soul in there. Maybe the sounds are notes from the keyboard, and I'm writing a melody, maybe they're a percussion loop, maybe they're just an ambient sound.
It really comes down to this: what and when.
What sound/song/loop/vocal/note/drum to use
When to use it.
The more I learn about sound and music, the more I find the answer to these questions is inside of me. What feels right.
And that's really what it comes down to: what feels right. 'Right' is simply what I like - if something sounds good, if it makes me grin a little, then I work with it.
Musician vs DJ vs engineer. ha! what's the difference? When I'm sculpting a kick, I'm listening, listening in my heart to see where it resonates, then I'm working to try and make it resonate more and more. Maybe I'm tying the ENGINEERING of the kick in with the bassline, combining the two harmonies. Then I'm moving to a melody which accentuates the harmony between the bass and kick, resonating and singing on top. When I'm mixing a track I'm trying to bbring out the vibe, to keep the energy going, trying to figure out what track to play next and when to mix it in.
Where does the 'engineering' end and the 'music' begin?
When I hear music, it's like light. The lower frequencies are dim, but powerful - wide and open. The higher frequencies are light shimmering stars. When I'm sculpting and arranging and layering and playing, there's not much difference between the classifications except the differences I impose upon them.
If there was one piece of advice I could give myself for when I first started out, it would have been this:
"Free yourself of classifications."
Peace,
-Alex
Edit:
bLv,
I have found that adhering to an 8/16 form does indeed help with mixing. I know when I mix a track that has something besides this, I have to remember it and adjust when I kick off the next track.
But putting these deviations in a track can add a LOT of excitement for the listener, if done well.
Listen to the track you're writing, does it call for something special at the breakdown? Does it want to carry the listeners through predictably at that point (maybe it's coming off of a crazy section of the song) or does it want to shake them up a little and let them know something else is coming?
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bandarlog
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Posted : Aug 6, 2004 18:42
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Fuzzikitten: 
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I think another problem is that electronic music and thus psytrance, perhaps especially psytrance, is measured by non electronic standards. So what if psytrance producers use formulas and limited musical prases? It's what you hear that counts. Someone can be a real 'new' musician composing a song which has for instance no variation in notes, only processed sounds put in the right order on the right moment.
For me: I won't call myself a musician, definitely not. I just like shaping sounds and putting them in the right order. it's like a neverending creative videogame where you make your own levels and wonder what the next level will be where you will be taken by yourself.
Just have fun doing it and stop nagging about the status as an artist...
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Aug 7, 2004 17:04
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psytrance indeed is a music that has a lot to do with soundengineering and -design.
but can you separate music from sounddesign? of course you can put a lot of feelings and expression when playing or creating a melody or soundlayering.
but in a style of experimental music looking for new sounds or at least new combinations you cannot distinguish clearly without ambiguity sounddesign from the musicians creation...
we all have our own subjective aesthetical sensation/ perception. no need to argue about anything other than quality, cause style is only, and i mean ONLY A MATTER OF PERSONAL AESTHETICS.
there are some points where you can agree with other people, but it will never be total.
the only thing that goes beyond subjectivity is group aesthetics. as you can observe there are groups where all members agree on most questions of taste.
rely on those likeminded subcultures/ groups of friends etc.
youŽll never be able to speak the same language cause every culture has its very own aesthetics/ language/ customs/ rituals etc.
we live in a pluralist world and this is the reason why we have to live tolerance and respect, even if others donŽt treat us in a respectful way.
look for likeminded people and never ever stick to missionary behavior.
nobody has the right to judge over others cause we are all restricted to our small subjective construct of reality.
fuck all religions and narrowminded religions pretending to be in the position to see THE reality.
REALITY DOES NOT EXIST
REALITY IS NOTHING MORE THAN WHAT FINALLY KEEPS YOU ABLE TO ACT AND TO LIVE YOUR LIFE.
FUCK DOGMATISM AND IDEOLOGIES.
they are the root of dualism and consequently of unnecessary suffering.
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Aug 7, 2004 23:48
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deejayridoo - Word up! |
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