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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Aug 4, 2004 16:22
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Sektor666,
eeh.,., to my knowledge FORMULA has been a basic ingredient of music for a LONG LONG time.,
here is a little info about Waltz music:
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/waltz
now a question,.
is Tchaikovski not a musician because he wrote a waltz (and not invent it) ?
is Beethoven not a musician because he used the waltz formula instead of composing his own rhytmz??? .,
is a symphonic orchestra not a formula???
did renaissance painters not copy the ancient formula's??
is the 666 in your name not a formula?
accept it., formulas are as old as music itself., it's very human to copy stuff that seems to work.,
the biggest advantage of formula's is that you dont alienate your audience too much.,
that is the very noion of pop music.,
people LOVE formula's !!!!!
if you do something realy weird on the radio noone is going to buy your album !!.,
people will tell their friends that they didnt like your concert because they didnt understand it.,.,
psytrance has bent the house formula almost beyond recognicion ., made a new sub-formula.,
people learned to like weird stuff.,
the factt that other people think it's rubbish doesnt mean it's not music.,
my definition of music:
any deliberate sequence of sound.,
cant go wrong with this one 
greets.,
aka.,
ps., personaly i think you are pissed off about something else than formulaic music.,., |
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Sektor666
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Posted : Aug 4, 2004 19:18
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Guys i meant exacly same grooves and exacly same melodies but you call formula a style maybe i explain wrong myself .
about Painters they all have their own technics and own style when many artists just sound exacly the same that other .
Zildoggo you should watch the difference between Rembrant's and Caravagio brush . there is a difference that me non painted educated person can recognize .
about Composers they both not produce rythm or groove as i do remember , maybe you heqard sort of house rmx to one of them but no they wrote notes .
and what it is has to do with what i said
Dj/ Technician is person who use already made melody and put on it default groove .
I don't have any idea how you connect it to Classical composers .
It is useless to continue because you don't understand what i try to say and catch words . For me groove is formula , okay ? you all musicians and composers when i'm DJ or technician whatever you like more .
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ps., personaly i think you are pissed off about something else than formulaic music.,.,
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Finnaly someone do understand that me is pissed off , so i will explain once again . I'm tired to see junkie kids tryin to teach music someone else and call themselfs musicians when their music worth nothing . That's why i'm pissed off and "formulas" in music do not bother me because i do believe that music is freedom of art so everyone can produce whatever he/she likes . I just can not listen to what i don't threat as creative or musical which is personal taste as you mentioned before .
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EYB
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Posted : Aug 4, 2004 20:04
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I'm tired to see junkie kids tryin to teach music someone else and call themselfs musicians when their music worth nothing .
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Talking about yourself, or what?
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Sektor666
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Posted : Aug 4, 2004 21:45
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No i do talk about guys from first page till you get there . This all was to them and not to you and Mike who got mainly headshots from me .
EYB i like sarcasm in your words but if you read my quote once again you will understand (maybe) that i can't talk about myself there .
First , I'm not musician and i can't show such talented emotional music parts like you do .
Second , I'm not teaching noone music i just say that groove is not music but basic formulas and it can be learned in formula way . Also i do say that noone can't teach music here , that's why i argue .
I understand you EYB but you got into wrong argue and payed for it same as Mike . |
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Aug 4, 2004 21:49
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"about Painters they all have their own technics and own style when many artists just sound exacly the same that other . "
there are big differences in style between modern psy artists as well.,
the point with classical art is that only the best and most original survived untill now!.,
but in the time there were a LOT of painters that copied others and were not so original., we just dont care about it and we dont remember them.,
they are lost in history.,
this is true for every art form i think.,
only the best go into history.,
"about Composers they both not produce rythm or groove as i do remember , maybe you heqard sort of house rmx to one of them but no they wrote notes . "
what i mean is that something like a waltz has a very strong structure., if you do it differently it is not a waltz anymore.,
so waltz is a formula,.
and jazz is a formula.,
and blues is a formula
and disco is a formula
and house is a formula
everything that has a name is a formula in some way.,
but still some composers/producers/whatever could make it into something creative.,
i agree with you that there are very few artists that make original music, but this has been true for as long as there is music!!.,
same thing with with arts,.
there are SO many BULLS%^T artists .,
people just forget about the bulls&*t and only remember the best ones,.
i also think that the boom boom boom boom thing is getting a bit old., but there is different music .,
noone says you have to listen to it.,
"Finnaly someone do understand that me is pissed off , so i will explain once again . I'm tired to see junkie kids tryin to teach music someone else and call themselfs musicians when their music worth nothing . That's why i'm pissed off and "formulas" in music do not bother me because i do believe that music is freedom of art so everyone can produce whatever he/she likes . I just can not listen to what i don't threat as creative or musical which is personal taste as you mentioned before . "
hehe.,., i can see that 
but i say that there is no true freedom in arts.,
no artist is ever free.,
most people are not free.,
you can THINK you are free in your world but there is always something more free than you.,!.,
freedom is relative.,
greets.,
aka.,
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Sektor666
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Posted : Aug 4, 2004 21:58
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As you say many things are "formulas" in our daily life so some "can get abillity to do something from god" and some from hard learning .
There will be a difference between them but sometimes most stupid though bring brilliant idea like most of known scientists got .
BUT teach what music is ? say it can't be learned ! in the way Psy sound today it is wrong to say .
That's why all argue start ! |
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Aug 5, 2004 15:19
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"There will be a difference between them but sometimes most stupid though bring brilliant idea like most of known scientists got . "
hehe., totaly agree.
"BUT teach what music is ? say it can't be learned ! in the way Psy sound today it is wrong to say ."
yeah, i don think you can learn how to make music through this forum.,
you can learn some technical skills tho.,
some information can also open doors for people., present them with new ideas that they would never thought of before.,
but this has always been true.,
all artists are influenced by something.,
changing the perception of reality in one way or another.,
some people are better at this than others.,
but all kinds of people will try it.,
you cannot blame them it's fun to do !
greets.,
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EYB
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Posted : Aug 5, 2004 15:48
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Thats a true point.
As long we are realizing this reality our minds are influenced by it.
peace
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Aug 5, 2004 17:00
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I have followed this thread and most things you said Sektor are plain bullshit(not everything)... you got a fucked up view of things!! but who am i to tell you that you got a fucked up view? im nobody, and just like you i feel i have the right to tell what i think...
So you are angry you say, well dont you think people have noticed that? do you really think that you will come anywhere but to hell with that attidtude of yours?
Why are you judging people and being rude? what do you get out of that? attention maybe... is that what you want?
if i was a moderator here i would end your bullshit from the frist page....
Sektor im sorry to say this but this is how i feel right now, and im just a tiny bit pissed off, and thats not even on you....
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Sektor666
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Posted : Aug 5, 2004 17:25
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EYB and Mike , i'm sorry for what i said !
Tripticoma i say such things to keep musicians alive and make some members to think about an art and not so called "music" .
I said what i felt aka emotions .
You used sarcasm which based on my words
It shows your real face. |
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Aug 5, 2004 18:16
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Hehe, okej whatever you say, cause i dont see any point in arguing with you, if i would, i would have pointed out everything that i thought was bullshit.. but i dont cause most of it is...
and if you feel my words as sarcasm then thats what you feel...
same with music.. or whatever you call it.
anyway... sarcasm is used alot in your posts and maybe it was good for you to feel some yourself...
maybe the face of mine is just a reflection of yours?
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Aug 5, 2004 19:54
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Sektor why?
im not the one whos being rude to a whole bounch of people.. telling them how simple and easy their music is and even that its not music.. ect, ect...
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i will see all this as a big missunderstanding that got out of hand cause you didnt know how to end it...
cause many things in this thread looks like missunderstandings and you should have carried your discussion with that person that you hade a dispute with, and not everybody!
and sometimes you really should mind what you say...
some day someone will treat you the same way...
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bandarlog
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Posted : Aug 5, 2004 19:59
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@ sektor666: Are you by any chance one of the schizofrenic identities of Superglue aka Dasfung? Sure looks like it... If not, plz ignore. |
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Aug 5, 2004 20:44
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bandarlog - it went through my mind aswell.. hehe |
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FUNKKIMUNKKI
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Posted : Aug 5, 2004 21:53
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nobody is born a musician.. its a process to get there.. takes many years.. but eventually lot of people can get to the point of being a musician.. although talent sure helps the most...its not cos u cant play an instrument or never learned to that u cant be a good musician.. but true being able to play sure can help make things alot easier to give more lively feeling to music which alot of dancemusic lacks..
i also think lot of producers could learn alot from trying to make other styles of music aswell or at least listen... it doesnt get u anywhere if u want to make a break in a track to choose the easy way out and put some preconstructed loop... just cos u dont know how to make a break... (just an example).. the point of being or trying to be a musician is progress...the fact that.. u want to learn more while doing what u love.. true many people go for succes and noone can deny they wouldnt want it.. but i think its about getting the best out of urself and pushing urself to do new things, observe and learn..
but in the end i think sektor i think u have not much right to speak like this to other people in here.. just cos i think u lack the love u needed to make music... u gave up... and the ones u bashed might not be top talents (if i can believe you) but at least they still in progress to try become as good as they can be..
or want to be... ill push u over the edge, and will be smiling when u cant take anymore, at that point ill push a little harder till u experience true psychdelica |
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