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Sektor666
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Posted : Aug 2, 2004 18:49
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Colin let's back to past .
The ones i was arguing with were group of people who said that creating formulas is not music .
So if you produce music you are musician so this is right what they said but most of the scene is not musicians but let's say Dj's, technicians and drug addicts so they can use formulas to create something that remind music .
Projects you mentioned are realizeble and recognizble by normal human not only drug users like most of scene listeners , so you are right Simon Posford , Erez Izen and Amit Duvdevani are part of musicians + technicians=real musicians without formulas in our scene .
BUt we have talked about creating formulas for non musicians and most of you here showed disrespect to such "formula makers" while most of you here are them .
That was a point in real argue .
EYB you are not musician , because read what Colin said what is musician and show couple of musical rules in your music .
You use loops and melodies which used hundred of times , so it doesn't matter if you use them in Cubase or Ejay because it is same thing just more functions it still Dj rmx or drugged dream whatever you call it .
I hope after this couple of you will understand why most of human not like psy music , techno and acid which are non musical styles and many can produce them in vary way . |
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Mike A
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Posted : Aug 3, 2004 00:20
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I don't know how everyone works here, but I never use premade loops. I just write it all on the place. Melodic stuff gets played on the synth, and then I write it down to refine it.
I'm quite sure that's how most people work...
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Sektor666
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Posted : Aug 3, 2004 00:49
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Musician do play an instrument , Composer do compose , Dj or Technician( as Colin said) do mix |others music| with something called |basic danceble groove|.
So mainly your music Mike A "composed" from groove that build from default loops which done more than hundred of times by others and Notes (let's say you are talented musician and your notes are different that others if there any notes in your music because most of psy do not have notes at all , maybe morning stuff ) . So groove and notes , bass is part of groove and groove is already createn so why not to use formulas in groove . Why to attack this poor fella when he just not deny the fact he is a Dj/Technician and not MUSICIAN .
Maybe i'm wrong and you do create exacly same notes and grooves because lack of your music knowledge but still my logic and intuition say : Formula .
Most of you here use phrases like , never take others music , create things by your own BUT ask yourself what you done , be fair with yourself and not to lie.
BTW : Mike I think you very creative guy in business nor music , to advertise your own music on DC++ at illegal music hub and fight illegalecy here must be reasoned pretty well . |
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Triptocoma
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Posted: Aug 3, 2004
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Hahahaha Fuck it, Sektor666 must be sent from hell! 
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EYB
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Posted: Aug 3, 2004
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EYB you are not musician , because read what Colin said what is musician and show couple of musical rules in your music .
You use loops and melodies which used hundred of times , so it doesn't matter if you use them in Cubase or Ejay because it is same thing just more functions it still Dj rmx or drugged dream whatever you call it .
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Where do you know if i am a musician or not? If i am using loops and melodys which are used hundret of times???
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Sektor666
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Posted: Aug 3, 2004
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Because i heard you demo .
Man this is not music , no music flow , maybe you understand it but don't .Please don't think that i underesteemate you , most of psy sound like that , twisted something .
The melody that enters in your demo not fit all other by note , just play itself melody , then the break , when you gave a hardcore with melody 8 bars after you give a break ?
Music should bring possitive or negative emotions in other words like or don't but your "music" have no emotions , maybe for person on drugs it would but same as puke sound , talk or bird sing will sound like psychedelic opera in 3D sound .
BTW this melody used couple of times , all FX remind nowadays fullon , also break is done by many .
You can call it freedom of production and i call lack of music education , because freedom of production is when person know music rules and then change them to be unique like Salvadore Dali painted Surrialism style .
Think about it ,and please don't say that you mother is opera singer and your father bought you first synths at age of 2 and your granny still playing drums like most of lame artists doing it in their biography . i never been on some other kind of music artist website where he actualy talks about his and his family music education but psy artists like to use it , yeah it is kinda fame that your granny play drms so you must be talanted like her .
Tripticoma , how can you know if i'm a prophet of heaven or hell ?
Maybe i'm not even a prophet , maybe stopping drugs usage can make you look different on music you listen to .
once again , muscian is one who play an instrument and know to play others music on it and not one who knowns to "use an instrument" , composer is one who compose music and his music is known , because there is no composer that produce at home for him only . |
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JeSuS
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Posted : Aug 3, 2004 13:00
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Why you NEED to be a musican?
I just happy with sound of my vst's...
I like to find impressive sounds, like to experement with different sound's....
Yes! I like it!
For my - music it's emotions!
You can get it from everywhere:
when you talk, when you work, watch tv,
kiss your girl, eat your big-mak 
If you can DRAW this emotions in notes, sounds, pauses... are you musican?
Why you NEED to be a someone?
Be your self!!!!
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Mike A
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Posted : Aug 3, 2004 20:39
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On 2004-08-03 00:49, Sektor666 wrote:
So mainly your music Mike A "composed" from groove that build from default loops which done more than hundred of times by others and Notes (let's say you are talented musician and your notes are different that others if there any notes in your music because most of psy do not have notes at all , maybe morning stuff ) . So groove and notes , bass is part of groove and groove is already createn so why not to use formulas in groove . Why to attack this poor fella when he just not deny the fact he is a Dj/Technician and not MUSICIAN .
Maybe i'm wrong and you do create exacly same notes and grooves because lack of your music knowledge but still my logic and intuition say : Formula .
Most of you here use phrases like , never take others music , create things by your own BUT ask yourself what you done , be fair with yourself and not to lie.
BTW : Mike I think you very creative guy in business nor music , to advertise your own music on DC++ at illegal music hub and fight illegalecy here must be reasoned pretty well .
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Have you ever been in my studio? Did you see what I do?
You just say that I use "default loops", which I have no idea what they are actually.
If what you call formulas are the 4/4 kick with a certain groove of percussions, well - that's music. Every other type of music has those things which define the style.
Professional psytrance is very musical, with complex melodic lines. Of course you have no knowledge in psytrance so it just seems like the same thing to you.
Go listen to music, and then come back.
JeSuS - eat salads, bic-macs are not healthy 
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Sektor666
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Posted: Aug 3, 2004
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Mike i don't need to be in your bed room to know what you do , i heard your "promo" at DC++music hub .
Let's say default groove loops is what you have in your track . It is a loop that done many times and it is doesn't matter if you make it alone or make it easy by downloading loop .
and really i don't give f how you make music . I do have ears and them do hear if melody or groove is same.
The real point is ,,, Groove is default , Bass is part of the groove so it is a formula .
Also in psytrance melodies are formulas too for most of artists .
BTW : You have no formulas in melodies which is good fact for you . |
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Mike A
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Posted : Aug 4, 2004 02:43
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What you heard at DC++ is not what I do anymore. So you can't really judge my music by that.
Show me music without formulas then. I want examples.
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Aug 4, 2004 03:28
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Sektor, it sounds like you know everything...
and i dont like your attidtude....
i dont trust you to be the judge of whats music or not...
but id admit that you have some points about certain things, but you go way out of line too often... i dont think you are better than any other... but you seem to think that, at least it sounds like that...
be a little more positive instead..
laters
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EYB
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Posted : Aug 4, 2004 08:16
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 Someone whos name is ending with 666 have to be a bit more negative.
Sektor666 don't judge so fast, you heard a 2 min long unfinished part one track, so i think you are not able to say much about the style i am producing.
I am using formulas, like every musician do, like all people do all the time. Life consists of formulas. Breathing, walking, the structure of our body, cells and dna...all being conssists of formulas.
But it didn't mean it is all the same.
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Man this is not music...
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Music should bring possitive or negative emotions in other words like or don't but your "music" have no emotions , maybe for person on drugs it would but same as puke sound , talk or bird sing will sound like psychedelic opera in 3D sound .
BTW this melody used couple of times , all FX remind nowadays fullon , also break is done by many .
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It is music. Believe me, i think you have a lot to learn what music is. Maybe search google.
This short part of the track has emotion for sure, atleast enough that you like it or not. And i am not doing it druged for druging. Maybe you can't feel the emotions coz you don't like the style, or it doesn't fit to your brain, i don't know.
And i am doing this fx coz i like them, like i like nowadays full on. I want this fx, but i know it is not cool coz it is formula or copied or just shit.
There is a lot of music, enough for all
Everyone will find and do what fits to her/his mind.
peace
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Sektor666
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Posted: Aug 4, 2004
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Mike -
New Enigma album is music without formulas
New Talamska album is formulas with some music
New Void album is formulas without music
New Kooler album is formulas and music which noone will understand (except post drug users who now think that they are "beautiful people" and listen to progressive and not fullon because it is more intelligent music)
Guys calm down i don't think i'm better than you , just because you produce and me not . But i do know what is music and listen to psychedelic trance for years .The point is that you lie to yourself about many things you say and think .
I'm not lord to judge you but i'm listener who saw all you attack guy that agree with fact he is a DJ and not musician like most of you think here .
EYB - I heard 1 minute as refference to your track from Starway to Heaven - Led Zeppelin and i do feel emotions there while in your i can't (and i do hate rock music) . Then i heard one minute of Astral Projection and Infected Mushroom and still i have feeling of music .
The point is that you all think that talent comes with expirience or you think that some musicians are better and some are avarage but it is not true , just some have talent to produce music and some not and rest is personal taste .
I'm not judging from taste but from refference to same style known artists .
Astral and Infected very firsts works are musical .
Don't you hear in compare to your "music" , if you don't so i think not me the one who have problem with wrong judgement . |
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EYB
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Posted : Aug 4, 2004 13:29
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That is a matter of taste dude.
And it is not my problem if you don't get emotions or lot of them.
I listen and do music thats is made for dancing to trance state. Infected and AP maybe nice to listen sometimes, but say are not as energetic and twisted as much other stuff.
Music seen as art, is expression of myself, and so not judgable by you or anybody else, coz it is how it is. If you like it or not like it.
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Kaz
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Posted : Aug 4, 2004 14:28
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Let's not get into the 'what is art' issue here, because that's subjective. What is strictly a technical excersize is not art though. Let's keep it at that.
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