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Kenji Dub
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Posted : Jan 17, 2004 19:20
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but everything can be used in the wrong, bad way, like kenji shows us very vivid.
the fact that u even think u are supreme now kenji is disgusting.
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No Anakoluth, Im not Supreme.
Music is Supreme!
The simple fact that you are very vivid in nothing... Show us how stupid and disgusting is Money and trance business...
DO NOT BAN MP3 !
PUT DOWN THE CDs PRICES !
The prices still absurd and shameful! Until when??
If the prices get down, everybody will see how nonsense is this thread!
Will see that MP3 sharing is nothing beyond than a nowdays music tradding channel, a source, like radio or old times cassete recordings that everybody was allowed to trade and share...
Mp3 is different? Why? Are we against the progress?
Or against the music?
Respect!
10x Evil
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Kenji Dub
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Posted : Jan 17, 2004 19:34
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On 2003-11-19 00:00, Elysium Project wrote:
I will keep bitching, bitching and bitching about it.... it's my right as an artist and a copyright owner of my music!
And to your knowledge I can easily say YES I am a "real" artist with tons of releases and more than 25 years of experience in making music.... And I had no problems making a ok living (not getting rich) before from my music..... Now if I am lucky I sell 200 copies but still I get tons of e-mails from people that love my music..... strange isen't it?
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oh god!
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Panzer
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Posted : Jan 17, 2004 20:20
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I think there is no turning back. The back catalogue of any artist outhhere already sits on several HDs...Mp3s without copy protection cannot be protected retroactively...Nothing will resolve this.
As for newer albums...I think its time to establish a new format for music listening. Lossy compression formats such as MP3 should never be the future of music since the sound quality is clearly lacking. The CD-DA (audio CD) was introduced in the early 1980s. Nowadays movies are in 5.1 dolby surround. Hopefully DVD-Audio (SA-CD will not make it) will emerge itself as standard for music. Superior sound quality compared to CD and especially the sucky MP3. This may give sales a well deserved boost...
Outlawing compression technology like the shah guy mentioned will never happen. A multi purpose device such as PC can and should not be restricted because of an industry failing to find consumers... so 'BAN MP3s' is bullshit imo.... |
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tmel
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Posted : Jan 18, 2004 01:33
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A quote from a Simon Posford interview:
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What do you think of mp3 files ? Have you see it as a way to make your music better known or as a way to pirate music ?
I don't like mp3s... I think the sound is very poor... It is like looking out of your window at a landscape: you get an idea of what is out there, but it is nothing like the real thing! i want to go outside and explore the smells, the feel.... the nooks and crannies. You can't do that with an mp3.
i suppose it does help in some ways to get the music out there.... but i would rather people heard it in the way i intended....either on a big sound system, or at the very least from a full quality CD..... rather than as an audio file with 90 percent of the data removed.
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http://www.shpongle.com/hallucinogen/interviews-hallucinogen_site.htm |
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Kenji Dub
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Posted : Jan 18, 2004 06:37
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I agree with Simon indeed.
But, the Mp3 has not the mission to be the future of the music! Far away from it! Quality is not the point!
How I said before, Mp3 is a nowdays music format, substitute for mds or cassete tapes...
Its a music channel where you have free choice to listen whatever you want! You are not pushed to something with marketing stuff like in radio. You research by yourself!
You can trade it, send it and share it easily.
9 years ago I listened to GOA at the first time in my home. A cassete tape (baddly recorded in a used tape) sent by a german friend. I didnt care about quality over there! That music was killar and fuck-opened my horizons! This is called vibe!
I preffer listen to music like 95% of people does, than still there like a oldster complaining about the micro imperfctions present in something maded to be enjoyable!
Not talking about parties of course...
90% removed?? Compressed sounds better!
Respect Simon!
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technoid
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Posted : Jan 18, 2004 14:45
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Kenji; You're being far too idealistic about things. To an extent I share your view that Yes, it would be lovely if all music was free and I'm sure the artists who make the trance you're so fond of downloading would like nothing better than to be able to sit in the studio for as long as they like making this music and not worry about how they're going to pay for things but unfortunately the world isn't like that. How are people like Kristian supposed to keep on making trance if nobody pays for it? A studio isn't free you know, and these people need to have a life. Not paying for music = less time spent in studio by artist = less studios = LESS MUSIC. It's a simple and obvious equation.
I think there are good things about file sharing, you can hear a couple of tracks from an album before buying, get hold of those tracks which have been deleted, and check out things you hear about, but to have ripped your whole collection from file sharing is just taking the piss out of the artists really. Suppliers like Psyshop.com for instance really aren't that expensive. Having said that though I'm pretty sure anywhere else in the world is cheap for buying CD's if you live in Britain!
I would love to share your viewpoint but you need to be realistic.
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Cyber Punk
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Posted : Jan 18, 2004 14:58
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You're being far too idealistic about things. To an extent I share your view that Yes, it would be lovely if all music was free and I'm sure the artists who make the trance you're so fond of downloading would like nothing better than to be able to sit in the studio for as long as they like making this music and not worry about how they're going to pay for things but unfortunately the world isn't like that. How are people like Kristian supposed to keep on making trance if nobody pays for it? A studio isn't free you know, and these people need to have a life. Not paying for music = less time spent in studio by artist = less studios = LESS MUSIC. It's a simple and obvious equation.
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But what about the times when no recording equipment were available ? I mean, if what you've written is right, so we would never know about Bach, Bethoven... and so on.
May be the answer should be only the LIVE PAs by the Artists, and not music selling as main income.
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technoid
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Posted : Jan 18, 2004 15:08
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That's a point I hadn't thought of, but it would mean doing away with recorded music altogether, would it not?
Or maybe we just record the live performances? And give them away?
It's not very practical either. The likes of Beethoven and Bach didn't perform their music themselves, so could devote all their time to writing it. A trance artist has to take his or her equipment on the road to play live, and all would also have to write new material at an incredibly fast rate so people didn't get bored with hearing the same music all the time.
Maybe we need 'trance orchestras' or people to play the artists music for them while they write new stuff, and the PA's and shows earn money for the artist and the performers?
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technoid
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Posted : Jan 18, 2004 18:19
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On 2004-01-18 17:51, SuperGlue wrote:
did u ever ask you the question why psychedelic trance is not known as music and not respected by critics and musicians global !!!
(a) Who says psy trance isn't music? And since when has what the critics thought meant something is 'good' or 'bad'. People hated the Velvet Underground in the 60's yet they're possibly the most influential rock n' roll band ever.
ask yourself and u will get answer what is classical and what is psy trance !!!
(a) Answer? These are two more questions!
where Bach musical parts played and where psy music played !!!
(a) Huh? What do you mean?
and music it's not about money who make money from music will never known for years !
(a) Not quite sure what you mean here.
Look at Britney Spears do u see her in next 5 years on stage like Madona from 80' on it !
If you meant what I think you meant by the last statement then you've contradicted yourself here. Madonna is the best selling female artist of all time, and I wouldn't be prepared to write Britney off totally yet.
then why we know Bach coz in these years there are no so many music styles and musicians as today and Bach got main of his music from churches where his music is supposed to be performed so christians perform his parts for many years
(a) Bach is just one example. You could cite any classical composer. OK, Bach composed some of his stuff for the church, but the majority of classical composers did not.
and most of these musicians where unknown at they life only after their death they became wolrd known and electronic equipment the one which brough this music to our house !!! and world fame
to them by that
(a) The works of the classical composers were not bought to fame by the advent of electronic equipment. They were bought to fame by their performance. And many of the classical composers DID acheive fame in their own lifetimes.
totaly out of subject too far from it
(a) Yes, you're absolutely right.
And the comment in my previous post about 'trance orchestras' was not serious, by the way.
It's fairly daft comparing psytrance to the classics musically.
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technoid
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Posted : Jan 19, 2004 00:34
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OK, sorry mate. I spend enough time fighting with myself anyway!
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Kenji Dub
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Posted : Jan 19, 2004 00:57
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he he he
Since Elysium P. leave this forum, we are having some fun here...
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