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traveller
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 12:45
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ebooks simply suck.. can't enjoy reading them.. not untill they come up with a "cd-r" for ebooks.. like a thin plastic sheet where the text can be loaded to or something..
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Chi
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 13:43
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On 2003-11-19 12:15, Elysium Project wrote:
First Dovla I dont knwo what final scratch is so explain it to me and I will answer.
Second: Dont you think it's the organisers or for that matter the sound guys that record the DJ/Live sets without permission? It happens at all parties... I've "busted" a few myself!
I honestly dont know anyone that want to record their sets unless it's band that need it for alive CD release! But I cant say that all dont do it.... But what does that have to do with the fact that people rip music? I hardly think that a recorded set at a party is the big deal in the BIG picture of mp3 pirazy.
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Believe it or not, most techno dj's don't mind recording their sets. Some, like the ultramegastars Dave Clarke and Carl Cox, even endorse and support it. It's a way to get known, and if they didn't do it they wouldn't be as half as known in the world as they are.
Stanton's Final Scratch ( www.finalscratch.com ) is a package costing $500 which comes with a linux-based computer program, a connection console and 2 special vinyls.
You install the program in a laptop, rip your cd's/vinyl/etc to the computer (wav or mp3) and use the connection console to connect two turntables with the 2 special vinyls to the computer.
Then you assign a digital track to each turntable, and you can mix 2 digital tracks as they were recorded in those vinyls!
Truly amazing dj tool, the best dj's i've seen use that. |
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Tranceform
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 13:44
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Hi people!
It's nice to see that people are again discussing this very important issue. There are a lot of things I also want to comment on, I'll try to find some time to do that in a couple days.
However, there was one thing that I noticed and want to give a quick comment on:
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On 2003-11-19 11:24, Zombi wrote:
i understand what Dovla try to say, well, i was born in a country with same low economic level. in that psecific situation his and some other countries lives, the reality is different than ours.
but from what i know the biggest steal is happening here in Israel, not so poor country at all. |
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Based on my personal experience (gathered by monitoring users on Soulseek distributing the Tranceform's "Blissful Moments" -compilation) as many as 65% of all MP3-spreaders come from Germany (!!). 15% come from Israel and the remaining 20% come from different countries.
I admit that my sample is somewhat biased since it's based entirely on information obtained in connection of my own piracy watch actions, but I do think that it more or less applicable to mp3-trance scene in general.
It's always amazing to see that when the MP3-issue is discussed there are only people from poor countries (Eastern Europe and South America) trying to justify their downloading, but never a single German MP3-trader saying anything.
Back in the days when psy-trance records sold a lot more there was definitely no better way of obtaining original psy-CD's in South America or Eastern Europe than there is today. And I think that there are a lot more CD's sold in those countries today than there was in 1998 for example. The decline in sales is more due to people in traditionally strong markets (Germany and Israel for example) no longer buying as much music as they used to, and on the other hand the increase in new territories isn't even remotely enough to compensate this loss.
To avoid misunderstandings, I want to point out the following:
- No, I am _NOT_ attacking the German people or Israeli people although I mentioned them before. I am attacking people who steal music regardless of their nationality or place of residence!
- No, I am _NOT_ saying that stealing music is acceptable if you happen to live in a country where the economy has been ruined by socialism (like all the South American and East European countries). If you don't have the money to buy something, you simply can't have it.
Cheers,
Kalle! / Tranceform
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Zombi
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 16:18
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On 2003-11-19 13:44, Tranceform wrote:
65% of all MP3-spreaders come from Germany (!!). 15% come from Israel and the remaining 20% come from different countries.
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and u dont forget that whole israel population can live in east hamburg:)
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duodenumz
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 22:55
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"I just wish you would realise that ppl here don't have money to start a musical collection with only original music...and they can't download tons of mp3s from the net either"
i think this sense of entitlement is what really bothers some people. the reality is that people with less money cannot expect to be given non-essential things for free, because some people have no money by choice (artists, wanderers) and lead lives us working stiffs would like, while other people simply live in broken homes or areas that don't have any opportunities. if you are downloading anything with a pricetag without paying, it is stealing. i admit this, and so should everyone else. you do not need music to live, end of story.
i also agree with tranceform. i think the worst damage is being done by people who have enough money to afford PCs, broadband, etc., but don't care enough about the music to buy real CDs. they just want everything, and they want it now. these may be the same people who used to buy heaps of real CDs, but found you could save money and effort by leeching the music instead.
and Final Scratch is awesome, but i pray it isn't going to be widely-used with MP3s. you should be using WAV files all the way. i feel like the digital era has cheapened the quality of dance music in several ways, and i'd hate for crappy sound to replace the beautiful sound of vinyl and CDs. |
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Anak
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 23:17
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On 2003-11-19 12:45, traveller wrote:
ebooks simply suck.. can't enjoy reading them.. not untill they come up with a "cd-r" for ebooks.. like a thin plastic sheet where the text can be loaded to or something..
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offtopic hehe...but anyways...this already exists traveller...well its not thin...but it exists....
u have this engine..and if u own that u can legally download ebooks (for a fee ofcourse) and load it onto the machine. but....i only read REAL books 
Anakoluth A Pebble in Your Eardrum's Shoe since 2001!
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traveller
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 23:19
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well i actually new it existed.. it's quite thin too.. but it sure is fucking expensive..
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The Funky Munkey
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 23:34
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When are some pople going to wake up and realise some things in life just aren't free? If you can;t afford the music, well bad luck to you, you miss out. That's how the world works and if you can't handle then you have big issues, for one you really need to grow up! I could not afford cd's for years until I managed to get a job, and not once did I download a single track of the internet unless it cam from an offical artist site or mp3.com where you pay for it. But hwta really shits me, is that pople have jobs, pople can affor at least 1-2 records a month, but they are to fucking cheap to buy the real thing! It really shits me! I've spent $6,000 Aussie on my psy collection alone in the last 2 years, and I tell you what, it feels great to walk into my room and see them all stacked up. When I see an artist live, I know I've earnt that right because I have given money for their art. I think it is great that the recording industry around the world is starting to prosecute mp3 abusers, the more punished the better! If you cannot buy it, then fuck off and miss out, it's nobody;s fault but you're own. A cd only costs $12.96us at psyshop.com, I think if you can afford to be on this forum you can afford that once a month. |
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flavouredmoksh
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Posted : Nov 20, 2003 12:06
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This is the 53rd post on this thread. read all the previous 52 justifications and grumbles.
why?
just becoz there is this post, people have to speak. i have nothing to do with or against mp3 downloading matter.
very true i read in someones earlier post mentioning 99% of the people here must be or have been into the mp3 cuts.
very true. i can vouch as the very person who has started this post is into mp3 downloading, and i have already mentioned this in the other posts.
how can people take hypocrisy. download happily and show the world i am a wonderful person with morals. i guess people downloading but admit that they do are not as harmful to this trance scene as much as hypocrites like evil_doc_inc are.
Evil
remember the wise words?
Your every action is reaction in kind,
These only seem to be lies you're giving,
You have no sense of integrity in the mind,
How does it feel to not truly be living?
peace. but it just saddens me when i see hypocrites killing the scene.
jesus help evil.
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pr0fane
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Posted : Nov 21, 2003 02:13
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Posted : Nov 21, 2003 20:32
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On 2003-11-13 15:04, Zombi wrote:
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On 2003-11-13 12:22, Evil Doctor Inc wrote:
if you dj playin mp3s than please stop there is no way you can rock a crowd with tweeky sound
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I have to agree, the pureness of the sound is essential for the souls to feel and fill themselves to the maximum energetic capacity available
Mine is the road to nowhere, no sign, no light to guide me, who can describe my anger, when it set in last friday... |
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Tranceform
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Posted : Dec 4, 2003 02:13
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On 2003-11-18 18:37, FluoSamsara wrote:
Im sorry, but thats wrong. One of the main reasons why psy trance has grown so much in the last couple of years is because of mp3 and file sharing....Its exactly the oposite...
I also don't believe that any of you hasn't ever had a copied album. At least 99% of you, even the ones that criticise it. |
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Downloading one album and having it on your harddisk is definitely not the same as downloading 200 albums and sharing them with practically everybody on DC++, Soulseek, Kazaa, WinMX whatever.
Everybody has probably illegal music (For example I had Juno Reactor's "Jungle high" as an MP3 for 1,5 years before I could get my hands on a vinyl copy), but the amount (one album or 200+ albums) and purpose (for own enjoyment and not spreading or spreading/distributing/trading) do make hell of a difference.
So don't compare people who buy 50 albums a year and download 2-3 with people who buy 0-2 albums a year and download/spread 200 albums a year.
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There are a lot of things I can't afford, but I still have to accept the facts and realise that not being able to afford something doesn't give you the right to steal it.
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Smaller labels are actually the ones that suffer the most, since their distribution and marketing isn't anyway as good as the bigger ones'. When there's less money involved in the market, the resources are more concentrated to the big players.
Every psy-trance label is a small (if not tiny) label compared to the major labels (EMI, Warner, Universal etc.), but still the decrease in sales for major labels isn't even nearly as drastic as it has been for psy-trance labels. If your claim was true, this couldn't be true.
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No they don't, there isn't enough money in artist fees to compensate the loss of money due to the decline in record sales.
Some artists make enough money by doing live performances to make a living, but still many of even the quite well-known acts don't (Vibrasphere for example, both guys have according to an interview I read a while ago, part-time jobs because they can't do music as a full-time profession).
Cheers,
Kalle / Tranceform
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Tranceform
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Posted : Dec 4, 2003 02:24
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On 2003-11-19 03:10, FluoSamsara wrote:
Well, if my neighbour could replicate his car and make a "clone" for free, I would definetelly ask him for some!Wouldn't you??
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It's not about stealing concrete things, it's about stealing work time. There's a huge amount of work that is put on making an album (on all levels, ranging from track writing to marketing and distribution), and there's a certain price for this work time that is now left unpaid when people steal it.
Kalle / Tranceform
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Tranceform
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Posted : Dec 4, 2003 02:26
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On 2003-11-19 16:18, Zombi wrote:
and u dont forget that whole israel population can live in east hamburg:)
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Yes, that's very true - but I wasn't comparing the proportions but the total amounts here. Anyway, you're right that proportionally the Israelis are the most active MP3-spreaders according to my study.
Kalle / Tranceform
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Posted : Dec 4, 2003 03:17
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I live in Brazil and i we almost don´t have psytrance cds to buy so mp3 is the only way to get new stuff!!! |
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