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Dovla
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Posted : Nov 14, 2003 03:17
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On 2003-11-13 17:30, Elysium Project wrote:
No I am talking about a regular sound system at a party. Believe me. There's a huge difference.
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at least we agree on something....I try to play as much of my originals as I can...one thing you can always notice is the difference between sound volume on mp3s and original cds, since I play both I always have to increase the gain on some badly ripped tracks...which of course isn't the case with original cds...I won't even mention the quality....but still...if it wasn't for the mp3s, I think there wouldn't be a trance scene here in Zagreb right now
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Samsara
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Posted : Nov 14, 2003 15:10
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On 2003-11-14 01:12, DjFucK wrote:
goa, and trance was never bout the money...
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Are you an artist?
Because talking about somebody elses work is easy.
Not that I am saying that trance is about money.
But there are still millions of definitions in between, and respecting and paying an artist for his work is one of them!
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Evil Doctor Inc
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Posted : Nov 18, 2003 10:53
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Artist devote their existance to psychedelic music
dj fuck if goa trance is not about the money its about the essense the love of the music
if parties are free
if there was a perfect world there would be no money every country would be communist and then you wouldnot even have this scene
the essense of trance is about unity
united we stand
and progress we must
how do we progress
how does any economy progress
by building
by selling
by spending
this is a basic for growth
and like all genre based scenes
eg jazz in the past
it grew
did it not
and there are so many eg.
mp3 is stagnating this growth process
the trance economy is in a slump
because of it
growth = spending power = quality sound = higher understanding = fullfillment = more and more for us all
how do we do this
contact psyshop
contact saiko sounds
check out your local psy dealer
get of your lazy stoned asses and do some shopping instead of sitting infront of your comp and pontifiing about the past
its gone
move on
upwards and onwards
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Nov 18, 2003 12:59
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If u compare the Quality of a 320kpb/s MP3 and a 44.1khz 16bit WAV / CDA...
Cda is way more open... U might not pay any notice to it in the headphones plugged into the computer but when u are on monitors in the studio or out in the woods with a sound system...
Its like comparing the file size...
80mb or 15mb...
it cuts frequency ranges to keep the filesize down...
Keep cds flowing i love quality..
My cents..
Anders
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Anak
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Posted : Nov 18, 2003 13:20
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Nov 18, 2003 18:37
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On 2003-11-13 12:22, Evil Doctor Inc wrote:
Mp3
No way this scenes going to go anywhere if the mp3 trading and sharing continues
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Im sorry, but thats wrong. One of the main reasons why psy trance has grown so much in the last couple of years is because of mp3 and file sharing....Its exactly the oposite...
I also don't believe that any of you hasn't ever had a copied album. At least 99% of you, even the ones that criticise it.
And dont forget the parts of the world where you just can't buy good psy cds,or the places where ppl just can't afford it.
Yes, I buy some albums, the ones I really enjoy, but I do not consider mp3 to be any cause for any problem in the scene (except for the big labels...wich ok...is not very good, but then we have much more smaller labels!more to choose from!lol)
And bands nowadays don't make money on albums, they make money on live sets.
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nobody_3
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Posted : Nov 18, 2003 19:16
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I am so damn tired of excuse such as yours FlouSamsara... What about all the artists that dont get to play live or DJ? How are they going to make their money when you and your mp3 mafia friends steal their work? You know whery well that most organisers go for the top 10 artists and Dj's and dont give a rats ass about the rest!
And yes there was a time where mp3 did some good promotionwise but now it's totally the other way around.. it cause more damage than doing anything good... huge damage! And it's not only the labels that get hurt... They artists get even more hurt... face it if you have any moral left in your mp3 infected brain!
Admit that youre stealing music and lets get on with our lives... I am so tired of all the bad excuses here... at least admit that you dont pay for much music... thats more honest than wrapping it in one bad excuse after another!
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duodenumz
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Posted : Nov 18, 2003 20:04
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"get of your lazy stoned asses and do some shopping instead of sitting infront of your comp and pontifiing about the past"
that's the beauty of internet shopping- you don't have to get off your lazy ass  i just bought seven more CDs from Psyshop, and it cost me an average of $15 shipped each. that's very reasonable.
to me, as a home listener and DJ, the sound quality issue is the biggest problem. i went to one party recently where a DJ's tracks sounded crap on the medium-sized rig, but Son Kite's live sounded great when they went on after. i think the DJ must have been playing converted MP3s. when you're on substances, you want the best sound possible, and MP3s fail. but for making demos, they're good enough for something like Traktor DJ.
i have found Soulseek to be invaluable. i just got back into psy after taking a 3 year break, and MP3s have allowed me to get more good music than i ever imagined. as a result, i am buying more CDs than i probably should. 50 in the past 9 months? but i'm still guilty, i suppose, as i do listen to lots of psy on my MP3 player that i never buy on CD.
the volume of releases contributes to the MP3 problem IMO. even though i keep up with websites like this one, i still miss many smaller releases. so i end up "tasting" them on MP3, and i often find i don't like them enough to buy the CD. so the collection keeps on growing, as does my CD collection (just on a smaller scale).
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Samsara
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Posted : Nov 18, 2003 20:30
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And dont forget the parts of the world where you just can't buy good psy cds,or the places where ppl just can't afford it.
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This is just so much bullshit.
First of all most of us are buying CD's online, so it doesn't matter where you live!
What you cannot afford them???
But you can afford to buy the CD player, and you can afford to buy a Computer and I guess a telefon line, internet etc.....
But you cannot afford to buy the CD's for the CD player. So why buying the player in the first place???
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full_on
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Posted : Nov 18, 2003 22:13
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Here we go again  !
Respect!
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...Be gentle with the earth...
...Dance like nobody's watching...
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...I don't mind not going to Heaven, as long as they've got Coffee in Hell... |
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Anak
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Posted : Nov 18, 2003 22:44
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Dovla
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Posted : Nov 18, 2003 23:02
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On 2003-11-18 19:16, Elysium Project wrote:
I am so damn tired of excuse such as yours FlouSamsara... What about all the artists that dont get to play live or DJ? How are they going to make their money when you and your mp3 mafia friends steal their work |
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and I'm tired of your constant bitchin about the mp3 issue...if you were a real artist you wouldn't worry at all about mp3s, you'd make enough money with or without them...and if you lived in a country such as mine you would realise that ppl here don't have credit cards to buy music online, that ppl don't have cash to spend everyday on original cds in the one and only trance shop here in zagreb which isn't too cheap...so to put it simple...we're poor! And if there weren't mp3s there would be no trance scene ih croatia today...things are starting to get better, I see more of our local djs buying original music as much as their wallets can take...and that kind of thing would never happen if we didn't start downloading this music and spreading it to a larger crowd
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Nov 18, 2003 23:20
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Elysium Project:
I don't remember trying to say any excuse for anything. And also...my brain is not infected at all, its clear as water, lol
Has i told in my post, I also buy cds, i've got quite a big collection actually of originals, I think its definetly a bigger collection than the majority of trance listeners. (and I don't downl mp3 just for your information)
I also told that I've owned some copied stuff also, and to tell you the truth, I don't believe you never had a copied cd.
Yes, trance has grown beyond everyones expectations in the last years, and I think one of the reasons for that was music sharing.
And to the artists that are not contracted to play...thats because they just aren't good enough.
Don't say that only the top 10 bands do lives because thats just not true, im from Portugal, I've seen lives of all sorts and kinds. Of course, the best ones charge more...
Actually, I also ask you to don't call me a disonest person again, I couldn't have been more honest than I was.
Samsara:
Yes, I can afford some cds, and if you had read my post with more atention you would have seen that I actually buy them.
If would also have noticed that I wasn't talking about me, i says some ppl, and I was refering to trance listeners from poor countries like india, or Croatia, as Dovla just mentioned (don't worry Dovla, some ppl just don't understand).
Im glad that you are full of cash to buy your cds but its sad that you don't have the notion of what it is not to have money to buy one.
Im sorry guys, but I think your personal atitude towards me totally sucked, I was only expressing my opinion, and I don't believe to have said nothing wrong.
And also about that promotion think Anakoluth, I totally agree with you. (unless its a new band trying to promote...like me, lol, my music is free for downl on the net) |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 00:00
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I will keep bitching, bitching and bitching about it.... it's my right as an artist and a copyright owner of my music!
And to your knowledge I can easily say YES I am a "real" artist with tons of releases and more than 25 years of experience in making music.... And I had no problems making a ok living (not getting rich) before from my music..... Now if I am lucky I sell 200 copies but still I get tons of e-mails from people that love my music..... strange isen't it?
And have you ever thought about all the artists that dont make full on supermarket music rarely get a chance to play because 99% of the promoters only book full on supermarket music (no offense to the artists)? So dont insult them by saying they do bad music when you knwo nothing about their music... In many cases they do much better music than what you're exposed to in the parties today... You just never get a chance to listen to them because most promoters go for the safe "famous" artists!
And sorry to say it Dovla but I don't rally give a crap if you got a credit card or not..... you got money enough to sit infront of your computer and connect to the internet.... many online shops accept bank transfers so it's just another bad excuse from you.... sadly!
And yes I have copied CD's with permission from the artists!!! Huge difference my friend! Huge difference! And I can easily say that I never download mp3's or play them for that matter... Easily!
So yes I will bitch about it as long as I see people in this forum clapping their hands approving and supporting that people steal our work and spit us in the face....
You might not like my opinion but that wont make me shut up.
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 00:36
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Elysium Project
Its not about not liking you opinion, its about not liking your atitude.
I'm glad you're are a "real" artist with so much experience, good for you.
I don't know what you call supermarket music, but I guess you mean full on that sells the most. If it sells more is because more ppl prefer it!!If some bands cant get gigs is because ppl prefer something else. Im sorry, thats just logic!! You see new bands playing all over the world, every month there are more and more parties around the world.
And about what you just said to Dovla, it is clear you have no idea of the economic situation in some parts of this world, I call that ignorance.
My conversation with you is over, some ppl are just not worth having a discussion with, go bitch with someone else, not me, Im tired of ppl in this forum with your kind of atitude.
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