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blueOrb
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Posted : Feb 23, 2004 21:48
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Kenji Dub
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Posted : Feb 24, 2004 10:19
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On 2004-02-23 21:02, Anakoluth wrote:
well yeah maybe EP's music lacks something...but would u go buy it if it wouldnt? your earlier post scream NOOOOOOOO!!!
why do u think that this might be the case why he's selling bad, i mean, what the heck, u're the best example for it being NOT the reason.
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If its was for me...
I heard some tracks of Ely$ium Project in his website...
And his music (in my opinion) lacks of vibe. I mean... energy, something that touch us in the heart, something essential in trance music. But not bad at all. Some good tunes maybe...
You didnt get my point Anak... poor of you.
To be honest, even if i liked his music, I wouldnt buy it maybe... But People who can spend this money like you, of course would buy it! Thats my point.
This topic is not gettin too personal. It already is personal. Is about money, is about every country's culture... Ther is No CONSENSUS. Each Culture is diferent, there are diferent point of views and nobody should be blame for love trance in your own way!
  "...Life must to be a preparation for transition to another dimension..."
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code_psy
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Posted : Feb 24, 2004 13:37
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Hey EP heres some information for u ......... i downloaded a few of ur tracks form ur album Regenerated in mp3........since i liked them i went to psyshop and bought the cd.......what iam tryin to say is that true psy lovers download mp3 not for harming the artist but to make their choices ......... u know how money is hard to earn so i cant spend money on a cd then regret the buy........all what iam tryin to put into ur head is that mp3s are not bad iof used in the right way "to make choices" |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Feb 24, 2004 13:59
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On 2004-02-24 10:19, Kenji Dub wrote:
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On 2004-02-23 21:02, Anakoluth wrote:
well yeah maybe EP's music lacks something...but would u go buy it if it wouldnt? your earlier post scream NOOOOOOOO!!!
why do u think that this might be the case why he's selling bad, i mean, what the heck, u're the best example for it being NOT the reason.
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If its was for me...
I heard some tracks of Ely$ium Project in his website...
And his music (in my opinion) lacks of vibe. I mean... energy, something that touch us in the heart, something essential in trance music. But not bad at all. Some good tunes maybe...
You didnt get my point Anak... poor of you.
To be honest, even if i liked his music, I wouldnt buy it maybe... But People who can spend this money like you, of course would buy it! Thats my point.
This topic is not gettin too personal. It already is personal. Is about money, is about every country's culture... Ther is No CONSENSUS. Each Culture is diferent, there are diferent point of views and nobody should be blame for love trance in your own way!
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Kenji I am 100% ok with the fact that you dont like my music... It's all about taste but to say that it lack "the vibe" and something essential in trance music. That sound quite weird to me. But then again I do not consider my music to be standard. I am proud of the fact that my sound is unique and that I dont sound like everyone else.
So what vibe is that and what essential trance piece is missing ? I am curious. Enlighten me please 
And when you use the word "us" please change that to "you". I doubt you can speak for other people mate. |
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Kenji Dub
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Posted : Feb 24, 2004 17:54
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Don't misunderstand me Ely$ium...
I didnt said that I dont like your music. I just told my opinion about what your music lacks of...
Im not the kind who use to criticize or judge art from anybody. But you ask me about! I just gave you the answer.
But dont ask me again what "vibe" means...
If you dont know, maybe you should discover by yourself the principal element of psytrance. Than maybe your music grows up.
"Dust" is a interesting tune. I like it.
"...Life must to be a preparation for transition to another dimension..."
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nobody_3
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Posted : Feb 24, 2004 18:18
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On 2004-02-24 17:54, Kenji Dub wrote:
Don't misunderstand me Ely$ium...
I didnt said that I dont like your music. I just told my opinion about what your music lacks of...
Im not the kind who use to criticize or judge art from anybody. But you ask me about! I just gave you the answer.
But dont ask me again what "vibe" means...
If you dont know, maybe you should discover by yourself the principal element of psytrance. Than maybe your music grows up.
"Dust" is a interesting tune. I like it.
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Well I just think it's quite wrong of you to tell me that my music need to grow up and that it lack the spirit (whatever that spirit is). Have you ever though about that I want my music to be the exact way it is? It's kind of rude and indeed very judegmental of you to tell me that my music lack the fundamentals of psytrance... What are those fundamentals? Please enlighten me if you can... My vision of music no matter what genre is that there's no rules. Maybe you need to change your views and not me Again taste is taste and that's cool but to write in a foum that my music is wrong because it lack fundamental psytrance elements and that it need to grow up is quite arrogant mate... and not very openminded musically wise
And last I did not ask you about your opinion about my music anywhere... You started it all by yourself mate
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code_psy
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Posted : Feb 24, 2004 18:50
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hey EP...ur music is great.....but i consider though our tastes are similar u shldnt compose music which suits ur ears as u mentioned in the line "Have you ever though about that I want my music to be the exact way it is?"...........cos accordin to me an artist or a dj for that matter performs for the crowd cos the crowd expects them to take their souls on a trip which is possible only if an artist or a dj plays or compose what the crowd expects from them....still dont misunderstand me i like ur album very much........ |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Feb 24, 2004 19:15
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On 2004-02-24 18:50, code_psy wrote:
hey EP...ur music is great.....but i consider though our tastes are similar u shldnt compose music which suits ur ears as u mentioned in the line "Have you ever though about that I want my music to be the exact way it is?"...........cos accordin to me an artist or a dj for that matter performs for the crowd cos the crowd expects them to take their souls on a trip which is possible only if an artist or a dj plays or compose what the crowd expects from them....still dont misunderstand me i like ur album very much........
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Hi mate 
I am sorry but i totally disagree... If i made music according to how some people think my music should be like it would be totally dishonest not only to myself but also to those people. Music is a very personal thing (at least to me it is) and I have to first think about myself in that process - not what other people think it should sound like... If they like my music then cool if not then that's cool too but no one have the right to tell me that I make music the wrong way. There's no wrong or right way.. There's only the way I want it to be.
I am actually quite surpriced (actually quite shocked) that you people even think this way. It seem to me that you want it both ways and that you suddently have becomed taste-judges and professional "we know all" music experts. No offense but it's how I see it.
1. You call artists sell-out's and commercial if they dare to try to make some money out of their music.
2. You tell artists that they have to make music according to your standards and rules which
= becoming commercial and indeed sell-outs that way
What is it you people want? I don't get it?
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I am not a prostitute. I am a person that make my music/art the way I see it and want it
But code_psy dont take what i wrote personal it got nothing to do with you as a person. I just dont agree at all |
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code_psy
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Posted : Feb 24, 2004 19:49
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dude u dont get what i mean........what iam tryin to say is that u have to think if the crowd will like ur music........i like ur music........let me put my point with an example "i like heavy metal but that does not mean i play heavy metal at a psy party cos the crowd expects something from me which i must deliver"........-=[{when u make a track u have to consider what kind of effect it has on peoples minds not just your mind}]=-
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seriously dude i feel u have a major mental block "think about it"
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u have to read all this with a open mind |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Feb 24, 2004 19:56
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But the point is I dont agree mate. I dont see that as having a "mental block" or not being openminded. On the contrary I feel it's you guys that might not be that openminded and a bit too judgemental
I would never tell anyone that their music was not "right" or that it lack the "right" spirit and essential fundamentals in psytrance! I would properly tell them that their music is not my taste
If I had to make what some people consider "right" I would not enjoy making music and I would indeed feel like a sell-out. And thats what it mean to me... To enjoy it and to do something I am passionate about. All I can hope is that some people like my music. If not thats ok with me.
Anyway there's plenty of people out there that think my past and current music is good enough for the dancefloor.
Are they also wrong? |
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code_psy
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Posted : Feb 24, 2004 20:04
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mate are u even reading my posts properly...........i told u i like ur music i have even bought your cd........i always include some of ur stuff in my sets.........but still as i said u dont get it at all.........iam not sayin that an artist shld totally consider peoples opnions but it is a must to keep in mind what kinda effect the track u are composin will have on peoples minds cos finally its the people who will be listenin to the track and tripping on it ....... as u know what they hear effects their minds thats why its called psychedelic trance mate................and u cannot play dirty games with peoples mind
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PS iam not tryin to comment on the music u have produced cos i consider it to be dance floor killers..........iam only tryin to make a point that "an artist must consider what people may think cos its finally the same people who listen to the tracks and trip on them" |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Feb 24, 2004 20:10
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I am reading your post mate and dont take anything personally please.
I do understand what your saying and yes I can go along that you have to think about how it work on a dancefloor - to and extend. But as I am trying to make clear is that first and formost I as the artists and composer need to make what I want to make. I can not sit in my studio and think "What if they dont like it". It just dont work that way
Anyway I have never tried to make dancefloor killers with the earlier and current Elysium tracks. I consider my work as music for mornings in the nature.. Not so much as music for clubs. And I never intended the music to follow any rules at all.
But when it come to the more progressive/housey stuff I am doing now it for sure have to follow some rules. At last it need to be dancable
But still I am the one that have to invent those rules - NOT the audience |
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code_psy
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Posted : Feb 24, 2004 20:15
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well EP i see this is going no where i guess we all have our different views............peace.........well regardin ur music not bein for dancefloors i mix them and make them dancefloor stuff  ............anyways all the best for ur future quests man............. ...........keep the scene rockin:rocking: |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Feb 24, 2004 20:19
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On 2004-02-24 20:15, code_psy wrote:
well EP i see this is going no where i guess we all have our different views............peace.........well regardin ur music not bein for dancefloors i mix them and make them dancefloor stuff ............anyways all the best for ur future quests man........................keep the scene rockin:rocking:
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Yeah I guess we dont see eye to eye on this matter which is ok
And I am cool with the fact that you use my tracks that way... Thats why my music is all about. For people to use the way they want to
I also play my music at dancefloors. I just dont intensionally try to make my music dancefloor "hits". That does not say that my music isen't dancefriendly
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code_psy
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Posted : Feb 24, 2004 20:23
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dude ur right man whoever said ur music isnt dancefloor friendly is wrong........u dont need to have only dancefloor stuff at a party for takin ppl on a trip.......any music can elevate people till the time its used in the right way |
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