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nobody_3
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Posted : Feb 1, 2004 22:34
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akai lot's of people knew my music before the "mp3 revolution"... I am not a artist that was born yesterday.... I've been around for a long time mate..... yes some people will discover my music via mp3 and thats cool.... I never said that I am against people listening before they buy! But does that justyify that they rip a CD onto mp3 and dont buy it, or download it without buying it..... after they decided that they liked the music? Where I come from and the way I was brought up the answer is NO... But then again I am aware of that a lot of people and kids dont give a s*** about other people's hard work and just take it for granted that they can have everything for free in this world - spoiled brats is the name that come to my mind 
And to you + kenji dub... go out in the woods and build yourself a treehut ..... capitalism is here to stay and there's nothing wrong in making money out of music! Making money out of music is not to go on compromise with the quality and the artist value of the music..... It just mean that people like your music.... Which is fine with me... After all we make music for people not trees
I am so tired of this old cliché of a hippy attitude that artists have to starve and be ashmed that they make money... Or being labeled as a bad person/artist just because they think people are wrong in stealing their music!
The only ones that should be ashamed are the ones that point fingers at the artist for wanting to be able to make a living out of their art - And the ones that steal without giving anything back!
But I guess when it comes to those people they are just a bunch of sad people that are jealous because they haven't followed the dream of their life
Now your welcome to rant on!
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manu
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Posted : Feb 2, 2004 10:08
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Make Music , Make Money - Buy Music , Love Music.
mp3 thing shall fade with the time.. although it will keep entertaining low memory devices.. WAV shall rule the world.
I think atleast DJs should buy original music and listeners should be happy listening to it at parties instead of digging all the tracks at home and trpping on the track names in parties.
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Kenji Dub
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Posted : Feb 2, 2004 14:15
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Ok ZilDoggo, Im your Robin Hood ok! 
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And to you + kenji dub... go out in the woods and build yourself a treehut ..... capitalism is here to stay and there's nothing wrong in making money out of music! Making money out of music is not to go on compromise with the quality and the artist value of the music..... It just mean that people like your music.... Which is fine with me... After all we make music for people not trees
I am so tired of this old cliché of a hippy attitude that artists have to starve and be ashmed that they make money... Or being labeled as a bad person/artist just because they think people are wrong in stealing their music!
The only ones that should be ashamed are the ones that point fingers at the artist for wanting to be able to make a living out of their art - And the ones that steal without giving anything back!
But I guess when it comes to those people they are just a bunch of sad people that are jealous because they haven't followed the dream of their life
Now your welcome to rant on!
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You dont need to be ashamed just because you make money from music! You need to be ashamed because you dont make money enough to put the butter, jam or peanuts cream or whatever in your bread.... Or because your music do not interest people enough to support you. Or maybe your music do not interest the right people to support you. I dont know!
Labeled as bad person? You did this for yourself.
The only ones that should be ashamed are the ones that point fingers at the people who enjoy music and blame them because the sales are not good... Maybe your music is lacking of something dont you think?
And I know what it is...
I dont use to see the artists I like to mutter and bitch about MP3 issue. Why?
I think they dont need to appeal like this...
You want make money from your underground music right? I think this is a big mistake but I give you 2 options:
1 Let the underground behind.
2 Do it better.
All depends of you, and your skills.
 "...Life must to be a preparation for transition to another dimension..."
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nobody_3
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Posted : Feb 2, 2004 15:54
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Well please tell me what my music lack... That will be interesting! That is if you actually know my music!
The rest is utterly babble from you.... But please continue the ramble... I know I cant change you and I am not trying to... Your a lost case anyway mate!
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Goanna
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Posted : Feb 2, 2004 16:22
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And to you + kenji dub... go out in the woods and build yourself a treehut ..... capitalism is here to stay and there's nothing wrong in making money out of music!
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technology is also here to stay.. for good or for bad...whether i agree or disagree is irrelevant. it wont change whether people download or not .
in this case i think elysium sees technology as being a "bad" thing or the actions of those that use this technology as a "bad" thing .
kenji sees and uses this technology as "good" thing .
is there a right or wrong?? weve been going around in circles and i dont think either of you have convinced anyone that you are right or wrong . people that will download will continue to do so and those that are opposed will not do so .
perhaps some will actually go out and buy the cds that they like , but this technology is here now . this is the 21st century ..
perhaps we should have start a poll and vote on this issue....
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nobody_3
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Posted : Feb 2, 2004 17:19
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I never said that the technology is a bad thing!
Heck I use it in many ways... incl. in, radiomix and webdesign ect.
But the mp3 trade can in all it's simplicity be summed down to one thing.... Moral or the lack of it!
I am a big suporter of technology but just because we have advanced in technology does not mean that we have to use it in illegal ways!
It's as simple as that.... no matter what people say to defend their habbbits they know that they are acting wrong - they just dont want to admit it to themselves..... just as an alchoholic wont admit that he/she is an alchoholic |
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Feb 3, 2004 01:42
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On 2004-02-02 17:19, Elysium Project wrote:
It's as simple as that.... no matter what people say to defend their habbbits they know that they are acting wrong - they just dont want to admit it to themselves..... just as an alchoholic wont admit that he/she is an alchoholic
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Man, sometimes u should know when enough is enough, and when to keep the mouse shut no to say such silly things.
First of all, I'd like to say I don't download a track from the net since the times of Audiogalaxy, that are long gone...Now only trade wav between friends 
But Pllleeeaasseeeeee, don't make me laugh with that crap!Doing wrong???
What, a friend comes ask asks for a copy of a cd and I say "No man...Thats Illegal, its wrong, its a sin" BAHHHHH HAHAHAHAHA
CUT THE CRAP EP!
Thanks to u, I've been thinking about this more than I ever intended, this stupid subject!
And my conclusion is:
There are more and more projects coming out, good ones for my taste, trance got much bigger than it was years ago, maybe not because of mp3 (probably yes but thats not my point) but definetelly mp3 didn't make it smaller, thats for sure
And we are not artists dadies to HAVE to give them money, if we like it we buy, if we can access some other way we do, no probs about it!!! Man, really, It goes beyond my compreension how you think ppl feel bad about it, lol, are you a priest or something???
Technology enables us to get a copy with 100% the quality (WAV) for 1/100 for the price (blank cdr). No....I can't do it....its wrong.....Nooooooo!!!!....NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
HAHAHA!
There are so many artists is this forum, not many of them seem to worry... At, least none like u...
I've read your stories about almost living on the street and selling all your equipment, you could give me 1001 reasons for that, but pleeeaaaseee, don't tell me its mp3...
Yes, its dificult to make money out of trance...But that has always been a fact, only a few ones can manage to live from it
Long live WAV trading 
And off course BAN Mp3 Djs!
(if it was up to me you could even ban mp3, but never quality wav trade )
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nobody_3
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Posted : Feb 3, 2004 03:28
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Well it's a free world mate and I frankly dont give a rats a** if you think I should shut up or not.... Be my guest to think what you think...It wont shut me up mate..... And believe me many of the artist here do agree with me.... They are just not so interested in getting spitted at and insulted by kids like you mate That's why they dont speak out in this forum...
Because when a artist dare to speak his/her mind they are instantly yelled at and insulted by people that use insults instead of arguments - just like yourself and a some other kids in this otherwise fine forum... I can take it and dont take it personally...Not all artists do that!
And I like to see all the kids agree (including yourself) if someone like Simon Posford or another much more famous artist than me came to this forum and said that he/she actually also dont like the way things are going regarding mp3 downloading! Then I am sure many of you suddently would agree and lick his/her a** |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Feb 3, 2004 03:31
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On 2004-02-02 17:19, Elysium Project wrote:
It's as simple as that.... no matter what people say to defend their habbbits they know that they are acting wrong - they just dont want to admit it to themselves..... just as an alchoholic wont admit that he/she is an alchoholic
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MI've read your stories about almost living on the street and selling all your equipment, you could give me 1001 reasons for that, but pleeeaaaseee, don't tell me its mp3...
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Actually if you cared to read what I wrote properly you would realize that it was not meant to be taken litterally.... I never have and never will be living on the streets... And I am doing fine finacially thank you
Anyway I am done with you - I'll answer you any time if you will take the debate down to a level where it's not insulting and speaking down to other people !
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Feb 3, 2004 16:14
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Yes, I was done with this subect also, but the link just keeps on getting bigger, and if I read something I totally disagree I'm not able to stay quiet.
Other, thing, I didn't insult anyone, please remind where If I did, but surelly it wasn't my intention.
I was just a "bit" energetic...hehehe
Other thing, I'm not a kid
In the end what I wanted to say is who do you think we are??
Life is about sharing, nobody is going to stop recording a cd for a friend thinking "its wrong", unless its unreleased stuff or something like that...
Don't we all try to get our things as cheap as possible in life?
I support psy by buing some cds some times, but no, i don't feel its my "duty" to buy cds, If I can get for free, great But thats not where my support comes from, my support comes from going to parties, and for respecting one another, thats what this is all about for me.
Now you come in here and start calling everyone thieves, i think thats wrong.
Someone who goes to a party with bad vibes (unfortunatelly more and more ppl everyday) are much more ruining the Psy scene than anyone copying some cds.
Its not up to us to give money to producers sorry, life as always been about spending as little as you can, and trance is only getting bigger and bigger, so I really don't get your point.
Yes, its dificult to live from it, not everything is easy, if you want to be an archeologist and dig for rocks you will also need to be one of the best if u want to live from it.
Life it hard, but its not just for the artists, its for everyone of us, each one of us has to look for himself, and try to get a good direction and $$ so he can suceed in life...sad but true...we really need the cash to survive...hehe, so i don't think its our job to buy cds just to support them, if we want to buy it, good, if we can get it by other means, great, and I don't and will never see that as stealing, its a complete diferent thing...
And you should know also (depending on contracts of course), that most artists end up receiving a tiny percentage of the sales, its not really where they get their money from...
Many artists are also triyng to do their own smaller labels, so they can make more money from their music, why don't u try that? that way, you just need to pay to print the albums and for distribution...
Im sorry if the other post was a bit agressive (not insulting...) I was caught in a bad moment
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beru777
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Posted : Feb 3, 2004 17:54
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On 2004-02-02 17:19, Elysium Project wrote:
But the mp3 trade can in all it's simplicity be summed down to one thing.... Moral or the lack of it!
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You're not completely wrong but still... The thing is, people rarely would have bought the albums they download. In this case I don't see the problem... Download/Don't like/Delete... That's the fate of most downloaded MP3s. How is that theft or immoral in any way ?
As I said in another post, a few pages ago, which apparently you haven't read, is that *both* artists and fans have to change their ways. Artists should sell MP3s online at a reasonable price, on a track by track basis. This would benefit everyone. Warp records have understood this for example.
20 euros is a lot of money for a CD, which, as others have pointed out, often contains just a few really good tracks.
And fans should understand that they should put their money where their ears are as well ;-) ! But after all that's already what they are doing if you look at the number of CDs that are sold each year. I agree, that's not enough and most artists are not paid decently for their work. I just don't think MP3 is to blame, as it was the same or worse 6 years ago.
Beru
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Panzer
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Posted : Feb 3, 2004 18:00
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unauthorised copying is as old as computer code...Software companies survived...some of them are the biggest corperations in the world (EA, Micro$oft)...That their stuff is a breeze to copy didn't hinder them in making billions.
Now music is digitalized and liberated from its carrier its a sin all of the sudden?
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Cyber Punk
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Posted : Feb 3, 2004 19:57
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Panzer, your example of software companies is not really correct.
The majority of the customers in sw industry is companies and not individuals (well, may be except games).
And I don't think that every company's manager/owner is very moral person and always buys software because of this.
There is a BSA (Business Software Alliance) organization, that works very close with police in almost every developed country. Those guys can enter into any company and check computers, if they will find at least one "illegal" (without proper license) program, manager can get up to 3 years in jail and one million dollar penalty.
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technoid
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Posted : Feb 3, 2004 20:39
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As I've said before I understand the frustration of artists like Kristian, but before anyone gets too sanctimonious and levels accusations at other people I suggest they check their music collection and makes sure they've got no copied tapes, burnt CD's or MP3's. Throw them out, then start bashing people for being 'thieves'.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
I hope that someday electronic music formats can bring about the destruction of all record labels and we can buy direct from the artist.
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mescaloid
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If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density at any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation. Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property
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