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beru777
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Posted : Jan 24, 2004 00:55
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Mp3, Ogg, whatever are no synonyms for WAV...
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True. There are lossless audio codecs though...
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Especially on high end sound systems with a spectrum analysiser you can see and hear the differences.
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Richie Hawtin (Plastikman), John Acquaviva and other DJs have switched to MP3 though...
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vikuna29
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Posted : Jan 29, 2004 07:12
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tecnhoid.
there is nothing lost in translation, the only thing that was lost was the point that you failed to get:
PSY TRANCE WILL NEVER DIE!!!! It does not matter if all the artists stop making music right now, BECAUSE THERE WLL BE MORE COMING IN THE FUTURE!!!! It is a very simple point my friend and it is beyond me how you fail to comprehend....
Elysium
after listening to your sad and depressing stories about living in the street and selling equipment you think im going to take my time to learn about you and look you up in google.. whatever you release will not make me respect you ... especially now that I have learned about your attitude...
bottom line: you know that music is shared on the internet, so if you release it you know it will happen... so if you do it and lose money, then dont complain!!! its no secret man... just stop your complaining and accept the world the way it is.... if you dont want to accept it then do something about it... something PRO ductive... sitting in front of the computer discussing issues with me is not productive...I will not send you a check!!! and that is what you need to change a Capitalist world: MONEY...
you have to start playing by their rules and beat them at it before you make a new game!!!
PEACE and FREEDOM for ALL!!!! |
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Kenji Dub
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Posted : Jan 29, 2004 13:20
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I agree with you in many points vikuna and duodenumz!
Elysium: At the first time in this forum I read a human (not arrogant) statement sent by you, at first time in this forum you dont call people like thiefs, and at the first time you are not pretending to be the judge! Im not pity you because your story you know... I just percept now that we have something in common.
We are both idealistic dreamers!
Each one in your own side, but whathafuck?
We love trance, dont we?
Im really sad if some, or many of you artists do not approve my way to love music...
But I think I do my part in this scene.
And I dont need to expose my personal dramas (there are many believe me) to show why, I dont use to buy the cds...
Elysium my brother, you cant imagine how I would like to survive from my art too. Just live my life working in a dream job... Everybody does... Do you think this is easy?
I dont even start, Im working in house construciton now.
You? How long are you making music? This is not a satisfaction for you? How many albuns you have released? Are you not glad?
In your position I should be more than realized!!
I think this thread should be closed.
Nectarious give us a new TOPIC! We need to join us and bring new ideas and ways to support the artists.
Lets see how many people just want to discuss and complain, and who really want to help and support the artists...
"In the end it's not really the artists that's greedy but all the people downloading tons of music simply because they can get away with it and because it's easy, comfortable and "free"!"
Wrong! Just because we love it! 
respect to you and all!
 "...Life must to be a preparation for transition to another dimension..."
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Jan 29, 2004 16:58
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jees,
i've never heared so much bullcrap about what mp3 is.,
The most important fact for you noobs is to know that mp3 is *psychoacoustically* encoded.
This means that things your brain does not hear are removed from the data.. this accounts for the 80 or so percent of data reduction.
This also means that certain 'wobbles' in the signal will be eliminated because they are not experienced CONSCIOUSLY!!!
>>But these 'wobbles' can and DO move air and especially at higher amplitudes.<<
This also means that you can trick your consciousness into thinking it's hearing what it's hearing with an pm3 but you'r subconscious will have to work much harder to get a coherent and continious experience.
Having a bigger imagination helps.,.,. 
And often the ilusion will break and the party is over.,.,
anyhow.,., mp3 or any psychoacoustical model will never replace the energy vinyl or cd can put into the air.., even if a cd would be 8 bits and 10 kHz
try me, i'll prove you wrong.,
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on the topic of ripping and sharing.
I realy have to support Elysium here.
I KNOW how much work needs to be put into making a track.
We are working with Fuggn MICROSCOPES to get the sounds just right.
IT'S A LOT OF VERY VERY HARD WORK TO MAKE GOOD PSY MUSIC.
So i totaly understand he's bitching about music being consumed for free.
Can you imagine you have worked on a painting for months and someone comes in and takes a picture of it and starts to make posters of it and gives them away for free??.. it feels like shit..
But i also have to agree that mp3 or for that matter sharing online (this is the real bad hing, not the compression) is not going anywhere soon or easily.
So what needs to happen is that some corp. will make a more or less secure means of communication available to the public.
THIS IS THE BIGGEST ERROR RECORD COMPANIES HAVE MADE OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS!!
Since they do most of the worlds distribution they should have seen this coming as they also have the cash to make it happen.
We should have lived in a society where we could download any music and pay for it at the same time by now.
But since we don't we cannot blame people using the new tech to listen to music. They are doing what comes natural, namely using tools.
Information age society realy hasnt started yet.
Too many clueless people out there.
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-=spectro=-
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Jan 29, 2004 17:48
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... we must ban this shit for sure, mp3 is not
music, a real dj would never play it, it´s the
banalization of the art!!!!
BAN IT, NOW!!!!! WAV FILES RULES!!!!
***ARE U CONNECTED???*** |
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Surrender
IsraTrance Team
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Posted : Jan 29, 2004 18:48
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hey guys, i just banned mp3's.
problem solved.
end of story.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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robyo
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Posted : Jan 31, 2004 11:32
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first off, i'd like to thank everyone for fueling a fascinating and timely debate...
ppl who bitch about the quality of MP3's sound like those who used to bitch about the quality of cd's versus analog (tape or records). It's old hat man! Once people get used to listening to music in a certain medium, then "quality" or "dynamics" becomes a moot point. {IMHO: most people listen to MP3's on their computers with usually inexpensive powered speakers or on portable players, both of which sound fine} Mp3's are compressed, but they are a great way to sample a track or find music you would never be able to hear otherwise. Maybe they don't sound as good as mastered original cds, but there's more to a song then the crystally highs or rumbling lows... There's also structure, melody/harmony, space, rhythm, lyrical content, etc... People can be just as emotionally affected by a song on AM radio as they can by a record on a dope sound system.
Now I don't collect Mp3s much, cause as a struggling producer, i want ppl to someday buy my tunes and i don't need any bad juju. I enjoy giving my hard earned money to artists who deserve it. But if there's a song i've heard about that i need to hear, i'll download the mp3/ogg with no guilt whatsoever.
I think ppl need to accept Mp3's as a positive step in democratizing music for the masses. Slay the RIAA! Bootlegging and filesharing have to continue to keep music alive. It's ignorant for an artist to think since his music is "copyrighted" it should be kept only for the privaleged few. All art and music comes from the influences of the artist and those who came before him/her. Filesharing just expediates the recycling of art back into the collective consciousness.
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Jan 31, 2004 12:53
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robyo,
you are propably not making music yourself are you.,
aka.,., |
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Kenji Dub
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Posted : Jan 31, 2004 13:46
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Robyo 
ZilDoggo: About the paint and posters...
terrible one
If you really think, MP3 damage artists...
Stop to BITCH! And please give them ideas and suggestions about "how to survive being a trance producer" in the "Do you support the scene - thread" in this forum. Because Ban MP3 is out of question now.
Acccept the truth.
Music always stronger than Money!
Is the vibe what keep the psytrance alive!
No vibe... ...No psytrance
"...Life must to be a preparation for transition to another dimension..."
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Jan 31, 2004 16:01
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kenji,
"ZilDoggo: About the paint and posters...
terrible one"
i thought it was actually a good one .,., it is the ultimate truth.,., if you make a painting and the next day it's all over internet, how are you going to be happy???. tell me
"Stop to BITCH! And please give them ideas and suggestions about "how to survive being a trance producer" in the "Do you support the scene - thread" in this forum. Because Ban MP3 is out of question now.
Acccept the truth."
i never said 'Ban mp3' ., you do not read.,
i actually said that it is impossible to ban mp3 and we all have to live with that fact.,
"Music always stronger than Money! "
yes, if you get the music for free..
but remember that to make the music you need money and lots of it.,., also time, lots and lots of time...
if you think otherwise i suggest you make a drum out of a garbage-can and THEN you can HONESTLY say that music is stronger than money.,.,
as i see it, your private egotrip and ego-love for the music is the only thing stronger than money, which is true...,
you have no honor in my life.,.,
no psytrance no vibe.,.,
aka.,., |
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Kenji Dub
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Posted : Feb 1, 2004 06:54
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"i thought it was actually a good one .,., it is the ultimate truth.,., if you make a painting and the next day it's all over internet, how are you going to be happy???. tell me" |
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Yes I think so. Art is made to be aprecciated! Not to be be payed for! If my paint blast in the internet, like wallpapers, screensavers... ...I would be more than happy. People enjoing my art work would be my realization! It doenst matter how much time it me cost, and in how much my paint was rated $$$! seriously
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Acccept the truth."
i never said 'Ban mp3' ., you do not read.,
i actually said that it is impossible to ban mp3 and we all have to live with that fact., |
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I dont said this setience for you, but to all.
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yes, if you get the music for free..
but remember that to make the music you need money and lots of it.,., also time, lots and lots of time..." |
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I know! Any artist of any kind, needs money or another thing else to do their art.
Support the scene do not be resumed in buy lots of cds, come on!
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Terrible one again
But I think somebody already do it. And belive me: sounds really crazy.
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you have no honor in my life.,.," |
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remember, "share" and "ego" do not combine! So...
You have honor in my! Like everybody does!
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completely disagree
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"...Life must to be a preparation for transition to another dimension..."
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akai
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Posted : Feb 1, 2004 17:31
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I will turn to the darkside in this discussion, just some points:
1) Cut the shit out, why should i buy a cd with 2 great tracks and another 10 that are pure shit. 15$? 15€? Release by song, people will buy it because they know that the producer deserves the money. Just don't try to get some money you don't deserve.
2) Most djs don't care about the software they use. Most do a copy of it. You have no moral to argue about music sharing. WE DO NOT LIVE IN A PERFECT SOCIETY, get used to it.
3) Most people in the electronic music scene (including djs, producers, promoters and people in labels) spends more money in drugs than in music, hardware to play music, including djs and producers. Try to cheat me ah ah.
4) What the fuck, why Britney is so rich? would she succed in the trance scene? You want to make money then make comercial music, a side project maybe?
5) People, whats's the deal here, lack of love for your music it isn't, and that was the target when you started, now it's just MONEY????? Fuck that all! I can't buy some new shoes but i'm not sad at all, i still have my gf's love, i still have music's love, i still have my friends who, also, don't have some 150€ shoes. I wonder how would it be to have the shoes but not the things i have. Maybe we are in need of someone in this scene like Bob Marley or Manu Chao.
6) EP, can i try to reverse some your thoughts? I never listened to your music, maybe i will now, in MP3s ofcourse, since point 1) is reality i don't buy something that i never heard of. I do buy cds if they're great. And did you ever thought that without mp3s you would sell a FEW more copies but YOU won't get ALL those emails???? All those who seem to love your music would never heard of you in the first place. Internet made it possible, "small artists" like most trance producers are in the spotlight. One more thing, do not try to understand the point from poor people, nordic one, you can't. Just like you can't understand why some indians in Amazonia can be happy without even, a AM mono radio.
7) Peace to all trance lovers and producers, u can't survive without both. |
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energy
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Posted : Feb 1, 2004 21:24
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Well I read somewhere that for every bought CD, there are 90 downloaded or illigal versions.
And to - akai-, it happens that I know the ex-accountant of Bob Marley, and believe me, this was major money!!! And he obviously cared a lot about his money since he had a swiss accountant
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Feb 1, 2004 22:29
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kenji,.
"Art is made to be aprecciated! Not to be be payed for! If my paint blast in the internet, like wallpapers, screensavers... ...I would be more than happy. People enjoing my art work would be my realization! It doenst matter how much time it me cost, and in how much my paint was rated $$$! seriously"
then why dont you devote your life to making free art ?? do you hear how stupit this sounds?. devote life <-> give away art., this can only happen if someone will feed you.,.
and then, why dont you make art and give it away?
7 days a week working at your art and then after it is finished you give it away,.,
i'm SURE if you worked 7 days a week on your art you would not give it away for free., because only then you know how hard you need to work ... .
we are not monks.., we want to live a life with making music., but bad record sales make this almost impossible., on the one side labels take the piss and get money for doing little (but at least is pays and has better market value) and on the other side the music is being ripped by the rest of the world.,
it's just a bad situation to be in if you like making psy.
and anither thing, the less cd's you sell the faster you need to produce the tracks the less quality it will be.,
you always should pay for art if the artist asks for it.,
most art that is public domain is art made by people who are now dead.
most other art is payed for in one way or another.,
It is impossible to make art full time for free and survive. the artist needs to make a JOB out of it.
and you say you are nice because you share.,.,.,
but in fact you take the bread out of the artists mouths.,
i'm not saying you are a bad person, i'm just saying you should know what you are doing and how it makes the people feel that make the music that you can share.,
about ego, sharing can also be an ego thing because it makes yourself feel good., at the expense of the artist., **>i dont know a bigger egotrip then to take someone elses art and make yourself happy by sharing it so people tell you how nice you are.,<**
tell me, how do you feel when someone thanks you for sharing?
i wouldnt mind if you made music yourself and gave it away for free, .., |
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