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nobody_3
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Posted : Jan 20, 2004 14:13
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Thanx mate 
Yeah it is like riding a bike even though it's a bit more tough now There's much more competition today which is not at all a bad thing. It just makes people work harder and makes them more creative
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medir
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Posted : Jan 20, 2004 14:18
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...he mates ! -stop with the compare about cycling...i was a good cyclist some years ago ( mountain-bike, so i mean technical-wise, not just riding through the streets...) and i can tell u that u forget how to ride the bicycle sooner as u imagine...hehehe...
bomSKY
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make it your motto day and night.
experiment,
and it will lead you to the light.
the apple on the top of the tree
is never too high to achieve,
so take an example from eve...
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Goanna
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Posted: Jan 20, 2004
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Ban Cars, they're alot worse I think.... |
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technoid
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Posted : Jan 20, 2004 21:36
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On 2004-01-20 11:07, vikuna29 wrote:
So what if the artists don't make their music anymore!!! FUCK THEM!!! Do you think that this will stop the music from being made!!! the psy trance from being produced!!! NEVER!!!
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WTF!?!?!?! 
Maybe this loses something in translation but it has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen written on IsraTrance. 
How will psytrance continue to be produced if the artists stop making it?
"One nation under a groove". |
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energy
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Posted : Jan 21, 2004 01:48
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Well, music without artists making it,.....mhhhh quite interesting.........
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beru777
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Posted : Jan 21, 2004 03:23
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Very interesting discussion !
MP3 is hard topic, especially for alternative music scenes, not just psytrance.
What I think is that each side should make compromises and understand each other !
Yes, MP3 downloading steals sales. It's true, but, it also spreads the word about artists that wouldn't be so well known if MP3 didn't exist.
To understand the MP3 phenomenon, you have to take the CD price factor into account. A CD is 20$, that's a lot, and you can't always listen before you buy. Also there isn't a psytrance shop in every small city in the world. Other people don't have a credit card to order over the net. etc. etc.
Note that I myself take care of E-Watt records with Toi Doi so I know how hard it is financially. Just having your first record released often means years, yes, years, of hard, full time work, not to mention the equipment and software you have to buy. In the meantime, artists have to eat, pay the rent, etc, as Kristian has very well pointed out.
So the conclusion, and it's just my opinion, is that artists should definitely embrace the MP3 format, if that's what people want, and sell MP3s over the net at a reasonable price. Cheap doesn't mean they'll make less money. There is no manufacturing cost and the distribution costs are very low when compared to physical distribution of CDs. That's what we have chosen to do at E-Watt records, but more importantly, Warp Records has just opened their own shop, Bleep (OK, not psytrance, but one of the big players in alternative electronic music).
We think it's the way of the future. People can buy just a few tracks for a few dollars, money goes directly to the label/artist, everybody's happy.
On the other hand, music fans have to be reasonable and **responsible**, understand what it takes for artists to make music for them, and actively support the musicians they really enjoy by buying their MP3s/CDs/T-Shirts/Whatever, or, why not, directly donating money to them. You've downloaded a great album over P2P, which have given you hours of listening pleasure, hey give the guys 5 or 10$, that's the least you can do, and that's probably as much money as they would have made if they had sold a CD.
Music fans, if you want more great music, you'll have to understand that it takes a lot of time to make such music, and that unfortunately maybe, time means money, because musicians are human beings that need to feed, wear clothes, sleep under a roof and so on. If you don't get to understand this, then the psytrance scene will wither and eventually die, because the only people who will be left will be the very successful on one side and the weekend musicians on the other.
Just my point of view...
Beru
E-Watt Records
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manu
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Posted : Jan 21, 2004 06:18
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If we had huge storage devices issue of mp3 wouldnt have arose.
If we had super transfer speed we could trade WAVs instead of MP3s
Is this topic agaisnt trading or agaisnt mp3 as it eats the music ? |
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time traveller
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Posted : Jan 22, 2004 20:23
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On 2003-11-13 12:22, Evil Doctor Inc wrote:
Mp3
unclear
no essense
horrible quality
dirty trade business
No way this scenes going to go anywhere if the mp3 trading and sharing continues
Please help all artists and record companies by buying originals
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if you dj playin mp3s than please stop there is no way you can rock a crowd with tweeky sound
ban Mp3s
help the scene grow
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firstly i play vynil .....and iitsonly the rare occasion i buy cd's
and it well pisses me off when tracks i want r only on bloody ....cd
its about time those people realise there is market for there PRODUCT ON VYNIL ........
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Ohmem
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Posted : Jan 22, 2004 22:05
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I'm not pro or against mp3.
I prefer wave, of course, and prefer cd instead of vinyl.
Vinyl degrades faster, scratches faster, it's hard to carry, you can't make copies (unless you own a vinyl printing device), it's more expensive.
But one thing, i believe, is certain: If there was no mp3, there would be less than 10% of the actual dj's.
On the other hand mp3 is (in my opinion) responsable for the growing of the scene.
Ok, artists are ripped. What about software? Do all artists buy the software they use to make music? And do they all pay royalties for samples?
Don't know if anyone has made this comment, didn't read all the posts, they are a lot. If anyone did, sorry.
The deeper you, go the higher you fly!
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duodenumz
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Posted : Jan 23, 2004 19:25
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"I do get some invitations to play but it's sure not the same amount anymore simply because an artist that don't release much music wont be invited.
Just give me a direction or a solid idea that will make sure that I dont have to live on the street while making music I bet you can't!
I am not talking about becoming rich - I am talking about making enough money to be able to put butter on the bread! "
no offense, but the vast majority of artists in ANY field don't live off their art. if you were once able to, that's impressive. but it's quite rare, and you shouldn't expect to survive off an underground artform like psy. i have been quite involved with London techno and the underground comedy scene here in NYC, and all the people involved struggle to get by, UNLESS they have a day job. it sucks, but it's the reality. |
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Panzer
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Posted : Jan 23, 2004 19:41
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On 2004-01-23 01:26, SuperGlue wrote:
guys once again vynil and mp3 are simple different sources of translation
one is analogue and second one is digital
but ALL DIGITAL SOUND SAME AT SAME BIT DEPTH AND SAMPLE RATE
wav are not better than mp3 or wma or other shit that coming to this world every year
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Not true...MP3 but also Mpeg2, Ogg, JPeg is lossy compression...They use an alogorith to transform the Wav into freqency values with the Discrete Cosine Transform (DCT). That one calculates the lower, perceptible frequencies and the higher ones which are difficult or near impossible to hear for humans. Then the Huffman encoder is used to cut the superfluous (higher) frequencies.
Mp3, Ogg, whatever are no synonyms for WAV...Especially on high end sound systems with a spectrum analysiser you can see and hear the differences.
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